A SIMPLE QUESTION

[Bill M]

I have a simple question I would like serious religious persons to answer.



Does your God wish his creation, man, to live a happy life, a punishing life
or does he not care one way or the other?

[Eric Brze]

Post by Bill M
I have a simple question I would like serious religious persons to answer.
Does your God wish his creation, man, to live a happy life, a punishing life
or does he not care one way or the other?

Of course God wants everybody lives a happy life. The only problem is,
the Devil has deceived us by appearing as God in the Old Testament.
Anyone who can realize the Devil's deceit by having the courage to
recognize evil as evil should be able to know that God is all good and
never evil.

[Andrew W]

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Bill M
I have a simple question I would like serious religious persons to answer.
Does your God wish his creation, man, to live a happy life, a punishing life
or does he not care one way or the other?

Of course God wants everybody lives a happy life. The only problem is,
the Devil has deceived us by appearing as God in the Old Testament.

Why is God so powerless to stop this from happening?

Post by Eric Brze
Anyone who can realize the Devil's deceit by having the courage to
recognize evil as evil should be able to know that God is all good and
never evil.

I've never met either of these strange people you speak of. Where are they
and why does it sound like we are the meat in a very weird sandwich? Why
were we put into this distressing and potentially dangerous situation in the
first place?
--
Andrew W.

The Christian religion is made up of little more than unsubstantiable and
irrational claims stacked on top of more unsubstantiable and irrational
claims, and all held together by emotions, childish delusions of
ultra-righteousness, and dreams of unceasing punishment for those Christians
secretly hate. All of Christianity's beliefs are balanced precariously on
the one master irrational belief that the Bible is God-breathed and hasn't
been distorted or misinterpreted in the least. And that belief rests on
nothing more than just two or three small verses in the same book which
suggests such. Christianity is just a big house of cards and has only had
such longevity because the human race throughout history shows a consistency
of stupidity and extreme gullibility.

What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm

The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm

Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.fipdata.org/index.html

Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

[Eric Brze]

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:51:12 +1100, "Andrew W"

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Bill M
I have a simple question I would like serious religious persons to answer.
Does your God wish his creation, man, to live a happy life, a punishing life
or does he not care one way or the other?

Of course God wants everybody lives a happy life. The only problem is,
the Devil has deceived us by appearing as God in the Old Testament.

Why is God so powerless to stop this from happening?

I don't think our own ignorance is God's powerlessness.

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze
Anyone who can realize the Devil's deceit by having the courage to
recognize evil as evil should be able to know that God is all good and
never evil.

I've never met either of these strange people you speak of. Where are they
and why does it sound like we are the meat in a very weird sandwich? Why
were we put into this distressing and potentially dangerous situation in the
first place?

I'm afraid that's the inevitable consequence of sin. It's because of
the sin we mistook the Devil as God.

[Andrew W]

Post by Eric Brze
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:51:12 +1100, "Andrew W"

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Bill M
I have a simple question I would like serious religious persons to answer.
Does your God wish his creation, man, to live a happy life, a punishing life
or does he not care one way or the other?

Of course God wants everybody lives a happy life. The only problem is,
the Devil has deceived us by appearing as God in the Old Testament.

Why is God so powerless to stop this from happening?

I don't think our own ignorance is God's powerlessness.

Its got nothing to do with my ignorance. Its to do with God's identity.
If you were God and someone stole your identity, wouldn't you do something
about it?
I certainly would.

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze
Anyone who can realize the Devil's deceit by having the courage to
recognize evil as evil should be able to know that God is all good and
never evil.

I've never met either of these strange people you speak of. Where are they
and why does it sound like we are the meat in a very weird sandwich? Why
were we put into this distressing and potentially dangerous situation in the
first place?

I'm afraid that's the inevitable consequence of sin. It's because of
the sin we mistook the Devil as God.

Your answer is inadequate. I did not participate in the original sin.
Why should I suffer these conditions?
--
Andrew W.

All religions rest on the patently illogical, un-provable premise that "what
this book says is true because the book says it's true". That,
unfortunately, is the best that religion has, and ever can offer, as a way
of proving it's God/divine authorship premise, an embarrassingly paltry,
painfully childish claim that would be laughed out of any court, as
well as any credible institution of higher learning.
~ Michael Horn

What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm

The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm

Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.fipdata.org/index.html

Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

[Provoker]

Andrew W's signature;

Post by Andrew W
All religions rest on the patently illogical, un-provable premise that "what
this book says is true because the book says it's true". That,
unfortunately, is the best that religion has, and ever can offer, as a way
of proving it's God/divine authorship premise, an embarrassingly paltry,
painfully childish claim that would be laughed out of any court, as
well as any credible institution of higher learning.
~ Michael Horn

Hello Andrew:
Michael Horn is fairly criticizing religion's use of the bible, but he
is not criticizing the bible.
The bible is literature, and it must be first understood as literature,
before it can be categorized as religious, or not.
Just as any other book can be, the bible should be discussed in such a
way that the arguements would not be laughed out of any court, or any
credible institution of higher learning.
No book, written in story form, can possibly be understood by the
doctrinal interpretation of selected single verses, while the story
which runs through the book(the greater context) remains completely
ignored.

[Eric Brze]

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:22:51 +1100, "Andrew W"

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:51:12 +1100, "Andrew W"

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Bill M
I have a simple question I would like serious religious persons to answer.
Does your God wish his creation, man, to live a happy life, a punishing life
or does he not care one way or the other?

Of course God wants everybody lives a happy life. The only problem is,
the Devil has deceived us by appearing as God in the Old Testament.

Why is God so powerless to stop this from happening?

I don't think our own ignorance is God's powerlessness.

Its got nothing to do with my ignorance. Its to do with God's identity.
If you were God and someone stole your identity, wouldn't you do something
about it?
I certainly would.

That's right. That is why we have the Bible telling us how and why the
identity of God was stolen.

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze
Anyone who can realize the Devil's deceit by having the courage to
recognize evil as evil should be able to know that God is all good and
never evil.

I've never met either of these strange people you speak of. Where are they
and why does it sound like we are the meat in a very weird sandwich? Why
were we put into this distressing and potentially dangerous situation in the
first place?

I'm afraid that's the inevitable consequence of sin. It's because of
the sin we mistook the Devil as God.

Your answer is inadequate. I did not participate in the original sin.
Why should I suffer these conditions?

No one would suffer such condition without committing the original sin
in the first place. One who has never forsaken God lives with God in
paradise. If you realize that you do suffer the evil of this fallen
world, then you know you have forsaken God even though you may have
forgotten when and how.

[Andrew W]

Post by Eric Brze
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:22:51 +1100, "Andrew W"

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:51:12 +1100, "Andrew W"

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Bill M
I have a simple question I would like serious religious persons to answer.
Does your God wish his creation, man, to live a happy life, a
punishing
life
or does he not care one way or the other?

Of course God wants everybody lives a happy life. The only problem is,
the Devil has deceived us by appearing as God in the Old Testament.

Why is God so powerless to stop this from happening?

I don't think our own ignorance is God's powerlessness.

Its got nothing to do with my ignorance. Its to do with God's identity.
If you were God and someone stole your identity, wouldn't you do something
about it?
I certainly would.

That's right. That is why we have the Bible telling us how and why the
identity of God was stolen.

I must have missed that part in the Bible. Can you point me to the part that
explains this?

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze
Anyone who can realize the Devil's deceit by having the courage to
recognize evil as evil should be able to know that God is all good and
never evil.

I've never met either of these strange people you speak of. Where are they
and why does it sound like we are the meat in a very weird sandwich? Why
were we put into this distressing and potentially dangerous situation in the
first place?

I'm afraid that's the inevitable consequence of sin. It's because of
the sin we mistook the Devil as God.

Your answer is inadequate. I did not participate in the original sin.
Why should I suffer these conditions?

No one would suffer such condition without committing the original sin
in the first place. One who has never forsaken God lives with God in
paradise. If you realize that you do suffer the evil of this fallen
world, then you know you have forsaken God even though you may have
forgotten when and how.

I don't think I've forsaken God. I don't know if I even knew him in the
first place.
How are we supposed to figure out where to look for someone who's invisible
and whom we have no concept of?
--
Andrew W.

All religions rest on the patently illogical, un-provable premise that "what
this book says is true because the book says it's true". That,
unfortunately, is the best that religion has, and ever can offer, as a way
of proving it's God/divine authorship premise, an embarrassingly paltry,
painfully childish claim that would be laughed out of any court, as
well as any credible institution of higher learning.
~ Michael Horn

What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm

The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm

Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.fipdata.org/index.html

Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

[Eric Brze]

On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 07:55:10 +1100, "Andrew W"

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:22:51 +1100, "Andrew W"

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:51:12 +1100, "Andrew W"

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Bill M
I have a simple question I would like serious religious persons to answer.
Does your God wish his creation, man, to live a happy life, a
punishing
life
or does he not care one way or the other?

Of course God wants everybody lives a happy life. The only problem is,
the Devil has deceived us by appearing as God in the Old Testament.

Why is God so powerless to stop this from happening?

I don't think our own ignorance is God's powerlessness.

Its got nothing to do with my ignorance. Its to do with God's identity.
If you were God and someone stole your identity, wouldn't you do something
about it?
I certainly would.

That's right. That is why we have the Bible telling us how and why the
identity of God was stolen.

I must have missed that part in the Bible. Can you point me to the part that
explains this?

It's everywhere. Whenever you see evil is done by God or in the name
of God, you know something(devil) or someone(minion) is stealing the
identity of God.

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze
Anyone who can realize the Devil's deceit by having the courage to
recognize evil as evil should be able to know that God is all good and
never evil.

I've never met either of these strange people you speak of. Where are they
and why does it sound like we are the meat in a very weird sandwich? Why
were we put into this distressing and potentially dangerous situation in the
first place?

I'm afraid that's the inevitable consequence of sin. It's because of
the sin we mistook the Devil as God.

Your answer is inadequate. I did not participate in the original sin.
Why should I suffer these conditions?

No one would suffer such condition without committing the original sin
in the first place. One who has never forsaken God lives with God in
paradise. If you realize that you do suffer the evil of this fallen
world, then you know you have forsaken God even though you may have
forgotten when and how.

I don't think I've forsaken God. I don't know if I even knew him in the
first place.

Not knowing God is the reason why we have forsaken God. No one wants
to forsake God. People only forsake God out of their ignorance.

Post by Andrew W
How are we supposed to figure out where to look for someone who's invisible
and whom we have no concept of?

Simple, follow the teaching of Jesus.

[Andrew W]

Post by Eric Brze
On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 07:55:10 +1100, "Andrew W"

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:22:51 +1100, "Andrew W"

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze
Of course God wants everybody lives a happy life. The only problem is,
the Devil has deceived us by appearing as God in the Old Testament.

Why is God so powerless to stop this from happening?

I don't think our own ignorance is God's powerlessness.

Its got nothing to do with my ignorance. Its to do with God's identity.
If you were God and someone stole your identity, wouldn't you do something
about it?
I certainly would.

That's right. That is why we have the Bible telling us how and why the
identity of God was stolen.

I must have missed that part in the Bible. Can you point me to the part that
explains this?

It's everywhere. Whenever you see evil is done by God or in the name
of God, you know something(devil) or someone(minion) is stealing the
identity of God.

So God doesn't actually make any effort to protect his identity after all.
I see.
We have to figure out who is God and who isn't for ourselves.
Funny how no prominent scholar has so far discovered this except you.

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Andrew W

Post by Eric Brze
I'm afraid that's the inevitable consequence of sin. It's because of
the sin we mistook the Devil as God.

Your answer is inadequate. I did not participate in the original sin.
Why should I suffer these conditions?

No one would suffer such condition without committing the original sin
in the first place. One who has never forsaken God lives with God in
paradise. If you realize that you do suffer the evil of this fallen
world, then you know you have forsaken God even though you may have
forgotten when and how.

I don't think I've forsaken God. I don't know if I even knew him in the
first place.

Not knowing God is the reason why we have forsaken God. No one wants
to forsake God. People only forsake God out of their ignorance.

Thank you. That was very helpful. <rolls eyes>

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Andrew W
How are we supposed to figure out where to look for someone who's invisible
and whom we have no concept of?

Simple, follow the teaching of Jesus.

More helpful information. Thanks. <drops head on desk>
--
Andrew W.

All religions rest on the patently illogical, un-provable premise that "what
this book says is true because the book says it's true". That,
unfortunately, is the best that religion has, and ever can offer, as a way
of proving it's God/divine authorship premise, an embarrassingly paltry,
painfully childish claim that would be laughed out of any court, as
well as any credible institution of higher learning.
~ Michael Horn

What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm

The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm

Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.fipdata.org/index.html

Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

[Pastor Frank]

Post by Eric Brze

Post by Bill M
Does your God wish his creation, man, to live a happy life, a punishing life
or does he not care one way or the other?

Of course God wants everybody lives a happy life. The only problem is,
the Devil has deceived us by appearing as God in the Old Testament.

Huh? The OT God YHVH is the creator of both good and evil. He harded
Pharao's heart, something the God of Christ would never do.

Post by Eric Brze
Anyone who can realize the Devil's deceit by having the courage to
recognize evil as evil should be able to know that God is all good and
never evil.

The God of Christ is a parental figure. A Father, Abba meaning Daddy
whose love for His children, us, is an abiding and unconditional love. The
God of Christ grieves for His lost children who will not listen to their
Father which is in heaven. That is why He came to earth in the form of Jesus
Christ to find and redeem His lost children, proving His love for them, even
though He knew they would kill Him. But at least those now made a conscious
choice for or against Him invalidating all excuses for not assuming the role
of being a loving and caring son to their Father.