Discussion:
WHO IS THE REAL GOD
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Bill
2006-02-08 01:39:59 UTC
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We hear hundreds of claims that some particular entity is the real god and
all the others are fakes. The vast majority of people believe in the god or
gods of their family or area they live in. Does this make the belief true
and authentic? Hardly!



There are thousands of God beliefs and tales. Which, if any, is the real
God? Which are fakes?

What objective evidence is there as to which of the thousand or so God
beliefs is the real God? If there is a real God, why does he not tell us
directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes? God, being
omniscient knows precisely what would convince me of his existence. And
being omnipotent, it would cost him nothing to provide that proof, and since
he loves me he's motivated to do so.


Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us,
directly from his heaven, about the real God and reality and grandeur of his
wonderful heaven?



If God exists, why does he need errant and contradictory interpreters such
as priests, preachers, clergymen and shaman to speak for him? If man can
communicate with the whole world via TV, Radio and Telephone, why doesn't
God have his own TV network ( or communicate direct from heaven ) to answer
our questions or at least demonstrate and confirm that he is the 'real God'
and that all the others are fakes?



Why does only a very small fraction of mankind claim to hear God speak and
then from different Gods? Are these claims based on fantasies from mentally
deranged hallucinatory people or from people with selfish motivations? There
is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that anyone has actually talked with
God or any of the billions of deceased mortals. There are only a relatively
few unauthenticated 'claims' of these conversations.



Why would an all powerful God permit different scriptures, tomes, texts and
religious beliefs, replete with differences and contradictions, to fuel the
ravings of numerous sects, branches, churches and rites?



There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There are many major religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus,
Muslims, Shintoists, Confusions, Christian Scientists, Mormons, Protestants,
Catholics, Evangelicists, Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists, etc. Then there
are also beliefs in the Devil.



Is the devil equal to or more powerful than god? If so, then surely the
devil must be god, and therefore god is responsible for evil. If not, then
god allows the devil to exist and do evil, and therefore god is responsible
for evil. Either way, god is responsible for evil.



There are a plentitude of ancient religious documents that proclaim the
validity of these many Gods.



Major sacred texts and documents;



Baha'i Sacred writings

Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon

The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.

No originals of the old or new testaments exist.

The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints

The Analects - Confucianism

The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs

Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries

Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism

Qur'an - Islam

The Tanakh - Jewism

Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism

Nag Hammadi - Gnostics

Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong

And many more less popular religious beliefs.



Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, copied, modified and further copied, over
the centuries, by errant men with their own personal selfish motivations.
There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy. The objective
evidence is that they are a mixture of history, myth, folklore and legends.
There certainly is no evidence that they are factual.



Which is the true religion and the real God? If there is a real God, why
doesn't he clearly declare directly from his heaven that he is the real God
and correct belief system and that all the others are fakes? Certainly if
man can effectively communicate with the whole world any real god could
accomplish this.



Christian's favorite evidence for the existence of their God is the old
canard that the Universe could not just happen but had to have a
designer/creator. If it was designed/created by some God, this God has to be
even more complex than the Universe, and using this same logic, would
require that God would also have to have a creator. Who or what created God?
Where is the OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE of a real god creator? Why would
any 'real' god

permit all this doubt and confusion?



Many religious types claim the Intelligent Design of the Universe is proof
of God.

Intelligent design!? Consider reality. The Universe shows no evidence of
"intelligent" design!



Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars,
cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and serious body malfunctions?
Why does he permit millions of both young and old to starve to death?

Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally 'innocent children'
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor?



There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eye of
children
and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives. This is the work of
an

all caring and loving god???



Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a miserable and
devastating old age regardless of their religious beliefs?




Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging
and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring benevolent
God create animals (including man) that need to kill and eat other animals
to survive?



World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World War II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more millions
maimed for life.

The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed 250,000 lives; men, women and innocent
children of all religious persuasions. 100,000 of these were totally
'innocent children'!

There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th,
14th.and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.

The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.



Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.

These afflict the young and old, atheists and those of all religious
persuasions.

It would appear that this loving and caring God must actually be a cruel,
heartless, mean and torturing tyrant.

If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think he will let us
enjoy peace and happiness in his eternal Heaven after death?

If there is a God that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent God. Nor is he an 'Intelligent Designer'. The
objective evidence is that, if there is a god creator, he has no concern
about the welfare of the creatures on Earth.



This is understandable because the Earth is but a speck of dust in the vast
Universe, of billions of Planets and Stars, that is over 20 BILLION LIGHT
YEARS across. (Light travels at 186.000 miles per SECOND!)

It would appear that ALL the Gods are mythical creations of man and do not
actually exist.

Does anyone have objective evidence or proof that their God is real and
actually exists? The many ancient and contradictory documents of these many
religions are not objective evidence or proof; they are merely the
unsubstantiated and contradictory opinions, myths, fables and tales of other
mortals. There is no objective evidence that ANY of these documents are the
word of any real God. The god beliefs are about as credible as belief in the
Wizard of Oz



The objective evidence is very substantial that NO GOD CREATED MAN but that
MAN CREATED GODS!
abc
2006-02-08 03:13:15 UTC
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The answer is easy. There are no nor have there ever been any gods. What we
have is the terminally insane making crap up to feed the terminally stupid.
Post by Bill
We hear hundreds of claims that some particular entity is the real god and
all the others are fakes. The vast majority of people believe in the god or
gods of their family or area they live in. Does this make the belief true
and authentic? Hardly!
There are thousands of God beliefs and tales. Which, if any, is the real
God? Which are fakes?
What objective evidence is there as to which of the thousand or so God
beliefs is the real God? If there is a real God, why does he not tell us
directly that he is the real God and all the rest are fakes? God, being
omniscient knows precisely what would convince me of his existence. And
being omnipotent, it would cost him nothing to provide that proof, and since
he loves me he's motivated to do so.
Why doesn't God permit any of our dead friends or loved ones to tell us,
directly from his heaven, about the real God and reality and grandeur of his
wonderful heaven?
If God exists, why does he need errant and contradictory interpreters such
as priests, preachers, clergymen and shaman to speak for him? If man can
communicate with the whole world via TV, Radio and Telephone, why doesn't
God have his own TV network ( or communicate direct from heaven ) to answer
our questions or at least demonstrate and confirm that he is the 'real God'
and that all the others are fakes?
Why does only a very small fraction of mankind claim to hear God speak and
then from different Gods? Are these claims based on fantasies from mentally
deranged hallucinatory people or from people with selfish motivations? There
is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that anyone has actually talked with
God or any of the billions of deceased mortals. There are only a relatively
few unauthenticated 'claims' of these conversations.
Why would an all powerful God permit different scriptures, tomes, texts and
religious beliefs, replete with differences and contradictions, to fuel the
ravings of numerous sects, branches, churches and rites?
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There are many major religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus,
Muslims, Shintoists, Confusions, Christian Scientists, Mormons, Protestants,
Catholics, Evangelicists, Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists, etc. Then there
are also beliefs in the Devil.
Is the devil equal to or more powerful than god? If so, then surely the
devil must be god, and therefore god is responsible for evil. If not, then
god allows the devil to exist and do evil, and therefore god is responsible
for evil. Either way, god is responsible for evil.
There are a plentitude of ancient religious documents that proclaim the
validity of these many Gods.
Major sacred texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacred writings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confucianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
And many more less popular religious beliefs.
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, copied, modified and further copied, over
the centuries, by errant men with their own personal selfish motivations.
There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy. The objective
evidence is that they are a mixture of history, myth, folklore and legends.
There certainly is no evidence that they are factual.
Which is the true religion and the real God? If there is a real God, why
doesn't he clearly declare directly from his heaven that he is the real God
and correct belief system and that all the others are fakes? Certainly if
man can effectively communicate with the whole world any real god could
accomplish this.
Christian's favorite evidence for the existence of their God is the old
canard that the Universe could not just happen but had to have a
designer/creator. If it was designed/created by some God, this God has to be
even more complex than the Universe, and using this same logic, would
require that God would also have to have a creator. Who or what created God?
Where is the OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE of a real god creator? Why would
any 'real' god
permit all this doubt and confusion?
Many religious types claim the Intelligent Design of the Universe is proof
of God.
Intelligent design!? Consider reality. The Universe shows no evidence of
"intelligent" design!
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars,
cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and serious body
malfunctions?
Post by Bill
Why does he permit millions of both young and old to starve to death?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally 'innocent children'
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor?
There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eye of
children
and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives. This is the work of
an
all caring and loving god???
Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a miserable and
devastating old age regardless of their religious beliefs?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging
and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring benevolent
God create animals (including man) that need to kill and eat other animals
to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World War II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more millions
maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed 250,000 lives; men, women and innocent
children of all religious persuasions. 100,000 of these were totally
'innocent children'!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th,
14th.and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These afflict the young and old, atheists and those of all religious
persuasions.
It would appear that this loving and caring God must actually be a cruel,
heartless, mean and torturing tyrant.
If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think he will let us
enjoy peace and happiness in his eternal Heaven after death?
If there is a God that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent God. Nor is he an 'Intelligent Designer'. The
objective evidence is that, if there is a god creator, he has no concern
about the welfare of the creatures on Earth.
This is understandable because the Earth is but a speck of dust in the vast
Universe, of billions of Planets and Stars, that is over 20 BILLION LIGHT
YEARS across. (Light travels at 186.000 miles per SECOND!)
It would appear that ALL the Gods are mythical creations of man and do not
actually exist.
Does anyone have objective evidence or proof that their God is real and
actually exists? The many ancient and contradictory documents of these many
religions are not objective evidence or proof; they are merely the
unsubstantiated and contradictory opinions, myths, fables and tales of other
mortals. There is no objective evidence that ANY of these documents are the
word of any real God. The god beliefs are about as credible as belief in the
Wizard of Oz
The objective evidence is very substantial that NO GOD CREATED MAN but that
MAN CREATED GODS!
b***@yahoo.com
2006-02-23 01:05:09 UTC
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OR you are God and you have unconsciously created a chaotic experience.
I love your observations. They were mine fourty years ago and led me
to an astounding direct experience of God. All your observations are
the beginning of rejecting the lie and finding the truth. You GO!
Christopher A. Lee
2006-02-23 01:09:07 UTC
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Post by b***@yahoo.com
OR you are God and you have unconsciously created a chaotic experience.
I love your observations. They were mine fourty years ago and led me
to an astounding direct experience of God. All your observations are
the beginning of rejecting the lie and finding the truth. You GO!
Idiot.
God's Creator
2006-02-23 01:33:22 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by b***@yahoo.com
OR you are God and you have unconsciously created a chaotic experience.
I love your observations. They were mine fourty years ago and led me
to an astounding direct experience of God. All your observations are
the beginning of rejecting the lie and finding the truth. You GO!
Idiot.
*Thus spake God's Creator*


If you don't like your current god... there are others...



God's Creator!
( *All God's need money, slaves and virgins* )
:-)
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Your Name Here=Harvey
2006-02-23 02:41:59 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>, ***@optonline.net
says...
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by b***@yahoo.com
OR you are God and you have unconsciously created a chaotic experience.
I love your observations. They were mine fourty years ago and led me
to an astounding direct experience of God. All your observations are
the beginning of rejecting the lie and finding the truth. You GO!
Idiot.
I get the impression from listening to anyone talk about God -
is that they don't know who they are talking about, and what they are
talking about.

I prefer not talking about God, because that is more sensible.

Harvey
Robibnikoff
2006-02-23 17:45:57 UTC
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Post by b***@yahoo.com
OR you are God and you have unconsciously created a chaotic experience.
I love your observations. They were mine fourty years ago and led me
to an astounding direct experience of God. All your observations are
the beginning of rejecting the lie and finding the truth. You GO!
What the hell are you babbling about?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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