Discussion:
THE FEAR OF HEREAFTER
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Bill M
2008-08-16 14:47:11 UTC
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Religious believers base their beliefs on pure faith. They have NO objective
verifiable evidence to support their beliefs.



The 'subjective' evidence for most popular religions are ancient texts of
questionable veracity such as;



Baha'i Sacrid writtings

Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon

The Bible - Christian religious documents - 20 English versions alone.

No originals of the old or new testaments exist.

The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints

The Analects - Confuscianism

The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs

Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome

Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism

Qur'an - Islam

Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs

Tanakh - Jewism

Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism

Nag Hammadi - Gnostics

Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong



These are only the major documents. There are many more.



These documents are largely made up of myths, fables and opinions of ancient
humans of limited knowledge and questionable veracity.



There are hundreds of different God beliefs and thousands of different
religious

beliefs. With so many different Gods and religions how is anyone to know
which god and religion is the real one and which are fakes???



If there was a real God, why would he permit his flock to be misled by so
many fakes and religions of infinitely varied beliefs and claims?



Why does any real God do his communicating through thousands of preachers,
priests, imams, gurus, mufti, rabbis, patriarchs, etc. of variable levels of
honesty and conformity?



The evidence is overwhelming that religious beliefs are based on peoples
imaginations and desires to relieve them from the panic fear of the finality
of death!
Orange
2008-08-16 20:32:45 UTC
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Post by Bill M
Religious believers base their beliefs on pure faith. They have NO objective
verifiable evidence to support their beliefs.
The 'subjective' evidence for most popular religions are ancient texts of
questionable veracity such as;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 20 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
These are only the major documents. There are many more.
These documents are largely made up of myths, fables and opinions of ancient
humans of limited knowledge and questionable veracity.
There are hundreds of different God beliefs and thousands of different
religious
beliefs. With so many different Gods and religions how is anyone to know
which god and religion is the real one and which are fakes???
If there was a real God, why would he permit his flock to be misled by so
many fakes and religions of infinitely varied beliefs and claims?
Why does any real God do his communicating through thousands of preachers,
priests, imams, gurus, mufti, rabbis, patriarchs, etc. of variable levels of
honesty and conformity?
The evidence is overwhelming that religious beliefs are based on peoples
imaginations and desires to relieve them from the panic fear of the finality
of death!
Hi Bill again,

It is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind desires to
comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like
as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit
identification. It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that
man yearns for God that results in universe ascension. What you are
today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day and in
eternity.

I think that to be spiritual is more important that what are our
beliefs.
Yes there exist a multitude of beliefs but for me it is not what it is
the more important.
When i meet some one i can "see" and feel or percieve if he or her is
"a good person" if they are honest or not, if they have self respect
or not and then if they respect me or can respect me.

It's not our "beliefs" that are the more important.

cm
SkyEyes
2008-08-16 21:28:30 UTC
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Post by Orange
Post by Bill M
Religious believers base their beliefs on pure faith. They have NO objective
verifiable evidence to support their beliefs.
The 'subjective' evidence for most popular religions are ancient texts of
questionable veracity such as;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 20 English versions alone.
  No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
These are only the major documents. There are many more.
These documents are largely made up of myths, fables and opinions of ancient
humans of limited knowledge and questionable veracity.
There are hundreds of different God beliefs and thousands of different
religious
beliefs. With so many different Gods and religions how is anyone to know
which god and religion is the real one and which are fakes???
If there was a real God, why would he permit his flock to be misled by so
many fakes and religions of infinitely varied beliefs and claims?
Why does any real God do his communicating through thousands of preachers,
priests, imams, gurus, mufti, rabbis, patriarchs, etc. of variable levels of
honesty and conformity?
The evidence is overwhelming that religious beliefs are based on peoples
imaginations and desires to relieve them from the panic fear of the finality
of death!
Hi Bill again,
It is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind desires to
comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like
as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit
identification. It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that
man yearns for God that results in universe ascension. What you are
today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day and in
eternity.
I think that to be spiritual is more important that what are our
beliefs.
Yes there exist a multitude of beliefs but for me it is not what it is
the more important.
When i meet some one i can "see" and feel or percieve if he or her is
"a good person" if they are honest or not, if they have self respect
or not and then if they respect me or can respect me.
It's not our "beliefs" that are the more important.
Yes, beliefs *are* more important. They go into making up what you
are. Do you think that none of the 19 9/11 terrorists were "good"
people? Their beliefs made them do what they did. Their beliefs made
them what they are.

You need to read Daniel C. Dennett's book _Breaking the Spell:
Religion as a Natural Phenomenon_.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
Orange
2008-08-16 22:53:19 UTC
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Post by SkyEyes
Post by Orange
Post by Bill M
Religious believers base their beliefs on pure faith. They have NO objective
verifiable evidence to support their beliefs.
The 'subjective' evidence for most popular religions are ancient texts of
questionable veracity such as;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 20 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
These are only the major documents. There are many more.
These documents are largely made up of myths, fables and opinions of ancient
humans of limited knowledge and questionable veracity.
There are hundreds of different God beliefs and thousands of different
religious
beliefs. With so many different Gods and religions how is anyone to know
which god and religion is the real one and which are fakes???
If there was a real God, why would he permit his flock to be misled by so
many fakes and religions of infinitely varied beliefs and claims?
Why does any real God do his communicating through thousands of preachers,
priests, imams, gurus, mufti, rabbis, patriarchs, etc. of variable levels of
honesty and conformity?
The evidence is overwhelming that religious beliefs are based on peoples
imaginations and desires to relieve them from the panic fear of the finality
of death!
Hi Bill again,
It is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind desires to
comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like
as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit
identification. It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that
man yearns for God that results in universe ascension. What you are
today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day and in
eternity.
I think that to be spiritual is more important that what are our
beliefs.
Yes there exist a multitude of beliefs but for me it is not what it is
the more important.
When i meet some one i can "see" and feel or percieve if he or her is
"a good person" if they are honest or not, if they have self respect
or not and then if they respect me or can respect me.
It's not our "beliefs" that are the more important.
Yes, beliefs *are* more important. They go into making up what you
are. Do you think that none of the 19 9/11 terrorists were "good"
people? Their beliefs made them do what they did. Their beliefs made
them what they are.
Religion as a Natural Phenomenon_.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
Hello skyeyes,

1st you need to know that i am a french canadian and dont know very
well the english language...
2nd me too i am from a new-born christian family. I have began to read
the bible at 16 and seeking for doing the will of God...1 am 51
actualy.
Three yeras and a half ago i have discovered The Urantia Book. I dont
know if you know this book. It have been transmitted to a USA group
between 1934-35.
I believe that it is a real new revelation of the truth like it is
said.

Yes our belifs are influencing us exept that from higher they look at
our intents and if we are sincere etc. There is a difference between
evil, error, sin and iniquity.

Love.
Claude.
SkyEyes
2008-08-16 23:10:28 UTC
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Post by Orange
Post by Orange
Post by Bill M
Religious believers base their beliefs on pure faith. They have NO objective
verifiable evidence to support their beliefs.
The 'subjective' evidence for most popular religions are ancient texts of
questionable veracity such as;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 20 English versions alone.
  No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
These are only the major documents. There are many more.
These documents are largely made up of myths, fables and opinions of ancient
humans of limited knowledge and questionable veracity.
There are hundreds of different God beliefs and thousands of different
religious
beliefs. With so many different Gods and religions how is anyone to know
which god and religion is the real one and which are fakes???
If there was a real God, why would he permit his flock to be misled by so
many fakes and religions of infinitely varied beliefs and claims?
Why does any real God do his communicating through thousands of preachers,
priests, imams, gurus, mufti, rabbis, patriarchs, etc. of variable levels of
honesty and conformity?
The evidence is overwhelming that religious beliefs are based on peoples
imaginations and desires to relieve them from the panic fear of the finality
of death!
Hi Bill again,
It is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind desires to
comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like
as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit
identification. It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that
man yearns for God that results in universe ascension. What you are
today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day and in
eternity.
I think that to be spiritual is more important that what are our
beliefs.
Yes there exist a multitude of beliefs but for me it is not what it is
the more important.
When i meet some one i can "see" and feel or percieve if he or her is
"a good person" if they are honest or not, if they have self respect
or not and then if they respect me or can respect me.
It's not our "beliefs" that are the more important.
Yes, beliefs *are* more important.  They go into making up what you
are.  Do you think that none of the 19 9/11 terrorists were "good"
people?  Their beliefs made them do what they did.  Their beliefs made
them what they are.
Religion as a Natural Phenomenon_.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
Hello skyeyes,
1st you need to know that i am a french canadian and dont know very
well the english language...
You're doing just fine. I wish I wrote French as well as you write
English.
Post by Orange
2nd me too i am from a new-born christian family. I have began to read
the bible at 16 and seeking for doing the will of God...1 am 51
actualy.
I'm 58. I grew up a Christian fundamentalist (Conservative Baptist).
I read the bible through the first time the year that I was 8. I read
it through every year thereafter until I was 23. I've read it in
several different translations, including the King James and the
Douay, and I read it as a language exercise in German, Spanish, and
modern (Demotic) Greek.

I see absolutely *no* evidence that any god exists. The bible appears
to be a work of mythology written by people in the Bronze and Iron
Ages. Nothing about it seems to come from any kind of supreme, or
even merelyt supernatural, being. It is the work of men, pure and
simple.
Post by Orange
Three yeras and a half ago i have discovered The Urantia Book. I dont
know if you know this book. It have been transmitted to a USA group
between 1934-35.
I believe that it is a real new revelation of the truth like it is
said.
Before you can claim any work is a "revelation," you have to provide
evidence that there's a being out there who wants or needs to "reveal"
something. Once you've established that the being/beings actually
exist, then you can start talking about revelations.
Post by Orange
Yes our belifs are influencing us exept that from higher they look at
our intents and if we are sincere etc. There is a difference between
evil, error, sin and iniquity.
Those are all human concepts, and don't exist outside of human
culture. "Sin" and "iniquity" are *religious* concepts that don't
exist outside of your religion.

And before you can talk about anything looking at us "from higher,"
you need to provide objective evidence that there *is* something
"higher" looking down at us. Personally, I think it's all mythology.
There are no gods or "higher" beings, or indeed anything supernatural
- no unicorns, or fairies, or vampires, or gods. If you have objective
evidence that there *is* anything supernatural, please post it here.
You'll be the first to do so.

Brenda
Orange
2008-08-16 23:45:37 UTC
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Post by Orange
Post by SkyEyes
Post by Orange
Post by Bill M
Religious believers base their beliefs on pure faith. They have NO objective
verifiable evidence to support their beliefs.
The 'subjective' evidence for most popular religions are ancient texts of
questionable veracity such as;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 20 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
These are only the major documents. There are many more.
These documents are largely made up of myths, fables and opinions of ancient
humans of limited knowledge and questionable veracity.
There are hundreds of different God beliefs and thousands of different
religious
beliefs. With so many different Gods and religions how is anyone to know
which god and religion is the real one and which are fakes???
If there was a real God, why would he permit his flock to be misled by so
many fakes and religions of infinitely varied beliefs and claims?
Why does any real God do his communicating through thousands of preachers,
priests, imams, gurus, mufti, rabbis, patriarchs, etc. of variable levels of
honesty and conformity?
The evidence is overwhelming that religious beliefs are based on peoples
imaginations and desires to relieve them from the panic fear of the finality
of death!
Hi Bill again,
It is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind desires to
comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like
as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit
identification. It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that
man yearns for God that results in universe ascension. What you are
today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day and in
eternity.
I think that to be spiritual is more important that what are our
beliefs.
Yes there exist a multitude of beliefs but for me it is not what it is
the more important.
When i meet some one i can "see" and feel or percieve if he or her is
"a good person" if they are honest or not, if they have self respect
or not and then if they respect me or can respect me.
It's not our "beliefs" that are the more important.
Yes, beliefs *are* more important. They go into making up what you
are. Do you think that none of the 19 9/11 terrorists were "good"
people? Their beliefs made them do what they did. Their beliefs made
them what they are.
Religion as a Natural Phenomenon_.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
Hello skyeyes,
1st you need to know that i am a french canadian and dont know very
well the english language...
You're doing just fine. I wish I wrote French as well as you write
English.
Post by Orange
2nd me too i am from a new-born christian family. I have began to read
the bible at 16 and seeking for doing the will of God...1 am 51
actualy.
I'm 58. I grew up a Christian fundamentalist (Conservative Baptist).
I read the bible through the first time the year that I was 8. I read
it through every year thereafter until I was 23. I've read it in
several different translations, including the King James and the
Douay, and I read it as a language exercise in German, Spanish, and
modern (Demotic) Greek.
I see absolutely *no* evidence that any god exists. The bible appears
to be a work of mythology written by people in the Bronze and Iron
Ages. Nothing about it seems to come from any kind of supreme, or
even merelyt supernatural, being. It is the work of men, pure and
simple.
Post by Orange
Three yeras and a half ago i have discovered The Urantia Book. I dont
know if you know this book. It have been transmitted to a USA group
between 1934-35.
I believe that it is a real new revelation of the truth like it is
said.
Before you can claim any work is a "revelation," you have to provide
evidence that there's a being out there who wants or needs to "reveal"
something. Once you've established that the being/beings actually
exist, then you can start talking about revelations.
Post by Orange
Yes our belifs are influencing us exept that from higher they look at
our intents and if we are sincere etc. There is a difference between
evil, error, sin and iniquity.
Those are all human concepts, and don't exist outside of human
culture. "Sin" and "iniquity" are *religious* concepts that don't
exist outside of your religion.
And before you can talk about anything looking at us "from higher,"
you need to provide objective evidence that there *is* something
"higher" looking down at us. Personally, I think it's all mythology.
There are no gods or "higher" beings, or indeed anything supernatural
- no unicorns, or fairies, or vampires, or gods. If you have objective
evidence that there *is* anything supernatural, please post it here.
You'll be the first to do so.
Brenda
I suggest you to look seriously at the Urantia Book...
We have to understand about religion and beliefs that there are two
sources.
There is the evolutionars origine.And the divine origine-by
revelation.
The revelation can come from within us too.
We can see with our yes many signs that there is more that what we can
see.

We can see if someone is sic or in good health. We can see pics or
videos of surnaturals things or beings. Like UFO'S crops circle,
spirit on photos etc.
The best is to do stillness and listen to what you have inside.

Truth, Beauty and Goodness.
Claude.
Bill M
2008-08-16 19:03:47 UTC
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Post by SkyEyes
Post by Orange
Post by SkyEyes
Post by Orange
Post by Bill M
Religious believers base their beliefs on pure faith. They have NO
objective
verifiable evidence to support their beliefs.
The 'subjective' evidence for most popular religions are ancient texts of
questionable veracity such as;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 20 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
These are only the major documents. There are many more.
These documents are largely made up of myths, fables and opinions
of ancient
humans of limited knowledge and questionable veracity.
There are hundreds of different God beliefs and thousands of different
religious
beliefs. With so many different Gods and religions how is anyone to know
which god and religion is the real one and which are fakes???
If there was a real God, why would he permit his flock to be misled by so
many fakes and religions of infinitely varied beliefs and claims?
Why does any real God do his communicating through thousands of preachers,
priests, imams, gurus, mufti, rabbis, patriarchs, etc. of variable
levels of
honesty and conformity?
The evidence is overwhelming that religious beliefs are based on peoples
imaginations and desires to relieve them from the panic fear of
the finality
of death!
Hi Bill again,
It is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind desires to
comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like
as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit
identification. It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that
man yearns for God that results in universe ascension. What you are
today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day and in
eternity.
I think that to be spiritual is more important that what are our
beliefs.
Yes there exist a multitude of beliefs but for me it is not what it is
the more important.
When i meet some one i can "see" and feel or percieve if he or her is
"a good person" if they are honest or not, if they have self respect
or not and then if they respect me or can respect me.
It's not our "beliefs" that are the more important.
Yes, beliefs *are* more important. They go into making up what you
are. Do you think that none of the 19 9/11 terrorists were "good"
people? Their beliefs made them do what they did. Their beliefs made
them what they are.
Religion as a Natural Phenomenon_.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
Hello skyeyes,
1st you need to know that i am a french canadian and dont know very
well the english language...
You're doing just fine. I wish I wrote French as well as you write
English.
Post by Orange
2nd me too i am from a new-born christian family. I have began to read
the bible at 16 and seeking for doing the will of God...1 am 51
actualy.
I'm 58. I grew up a Christian fundamentalist (Conservative Baptist).
I read the bible through the first time the year that I was 8. I read
it through every year thereafter until I was 23. I've read it in
several different translations, including the King James and the
Douay, and I read it as a language exercise in German, Spanish, and
modern (Demotic) Greek.
I see absolutely *no* evidence that any god exists. The bible appears
to be a work of mythology written by people in the Bronze and Iron
Ages. Nothing about it seems to come from any kind of supreme, or
even merelyt supernatural, being. It is the work of men, pure and
simple.
Post by Orange
Three yeras and a half ago i have discovered The Urantia Book. I dont
know if you know this book. It have been transmitted to a USA group
between 1934-35.
I believe that it is a real new revelation of the truth like it is
said.
Before you can claim any work is a "revelation," you have to provide
evidence that there's a being out there who wants or needs to "reveal"
something. Once you've established that the being/beings actually
exist, then you can start talking about revelations.
Post by Orange
Yes our belifs are influencing us exept that from higher they look at
our intents and if we are sincere etc. There is a difference between
evil, error, sin and iniquity.
Those are all human concepts, and don't exist outside of human
culture. "Sin" and "iniquity" are *religious* concepts that don't
exist outside of your religion.
And before you can talk about anything looking at us "from higher,"
you need to provide objective evidence that there *is* something
"higher" looking down at us. Personally, I think it's all mythology.
There are no gods or "higher" beings, or indeed anything supernatural
- no unicorns, or fairies, or vampires, or gods. If you have objective
evidence that there *is* anything supernatural, please post it here.
You'll be the first to do so.
Brenda
I suggest you to look seriously at the Urantia Book...

This is NOT obective verfiable evidence. Is just the unsubstantiated opinion
of some ancient
of unknown knowledge and veracity.

We have to understand about religion and beliefs that there are two
sources.
There is the evolutionars origine.And the divine origine-by
revelation.
The revelation can come from within us too.
We can see with our yes many signs that there is more that what we can
see.

Yes, and its coming from your over active imagination!

We can see if someone is sic or in good health. We can see pics or
videos of surnaturals things or beings. Like UFO'S crops circle,
spirit on photos etc.

Only if your prone to believe in ghosts and deamens.

The best is to do stillness and listen to what you have inside.

Your imagination and dreams are NOT REALITY.

Truth, Beauty and Goodness.
Claude.
Orange
2008-08-17 13:15:18 UTC
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Post by Bill M
Religious believers base their beliefs on pure faith. They have NO
objective
verifiable evidence to support their beliefs.
The 'subjective' evidence for most popular religions are ancient
texts of
questionable veracity such as;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 20 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
These are only the major documents. There are many more.
These documents are largely made up of myths, fables and opinions
of ancient
humans of limited knowledge and questionable veracity.
There are hundreds of different God beliefs and thousands of different
religious
beliefs. With so many different Gods and religions how is anyone
to know
which god and religion is the real one and which are fakes???
If there was a real God, why would he permit his flock to be
misled by so
many fakes and religions of infinitely varied beliefs and claims?
Why does any real God do his communicating through thousands of
preachers,
priests, imams, gurus, mufti, rabbis, patriarchs, etc. of variable
levels of
honesty and conformity?
The evidence is overwhelming that religious beliefs are based on
peoples
imaginations and desires to relieve them from the panic fear of
the finality
of death!
Hi Bill again,
It is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind desires to
comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like
as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit
identification. It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that
man yearns for God that results in universe ascension. What you are
today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day and in
eternity.
I think that to be spiritual is more important that what are our
beliefs.
Yes there exist a multitude of beliefs but for me it is not what it is
the more important.
When i meet some one i can "see" and feel or percieve if he or her is
"a good person" if they are honest or not, if they have self respect
or not and then if they respect me or can respect me.
It's not our "beliefs" that are the more important.
Yes, beliefs *are* more important. They go into making up what you
are. Do you think that none of the 19 9/11 terrorists were "good"
people? Their beliefs made them do what they did. Their beliefs made
them what they are.
Religion as a Natural Phenomenon_.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
Hello skyeyes,
1st you need to know that i am a french canadian and dont know very
well the english language...
You're doing just fine. I wish I wrote French as well as you write
English.
Post by Orange
2nd me too i am from a new-born christian family. I have began to read
the bible at 16 and seeking for doing the will of God...1 am 51
actualy.
I'm 58. I grew up a Christian fundamentalist (Conservative Baptist).
I read the bible through the first time the year that I was 8. I read
it through every year thereafter until I was 23. I've read it in
several different translations, including the King James and the
Douay, and I read it as a language exercise in German, Spanish, and
modern (Demotic) Greek.
I see absolutely *no* evidence that any god exists. The bible appears
to be a work of mythology written by people in the Bronze and Iron
Ages. Nothing about it seems to come from any kind of supreme, or
even merelyt supernatural, being. It is the work of men, pure and
simple.
Post by Orange
Three yeras and a half ago i have discovered The Urantia Book. I dont
know if you know this book. It have been transmitted to a USA group
between 1934-35.
I believe that it is a real new revelation of the truth like it is
said.
Before you can claim any work is a "revelation," you have to provide
evidence that there's a being out there who wants or needs to "reveal"
something. Once you've established that the being/beings actually
exist, then you can start talking about revelations.
Post by Orange
Yes our belifs are influencing us exept that from higher they look at
our intents and if we are sincere etc. There is a difference between
evil, error, sin and iniquity.
Those are all human concepts, and don't exist outside of human
culture. "Sin" and "iniquity" are *religious* concepts that don't
exist outside of your religion.
And before you can talk about anything looking at us "from higher,"
you need to provide objective evidence that there *is* something
"higher" looking down at us. Personally, I think it's all mythology.
There are no gods or "higher" beings, or indeed anything supernatural
- no unicorns, or fairies, or vampires, or gods. If you have objective
evidence that there *is* anything supernatural, please post it here.
You'll be the first to do so.
Brenda
I suggest you to look seriously at the Urantia Book...
This is NOT obective verfiable evidence. Is just the unsubstantiated opinion
of some ancient
of unknown knowledge and veracity.
We have to understand about religion and beliefs that there are two
sources.
There is the evolutionars origine.And the divine origine-by
revelation.
The revelation can come from within us too.
We can see with our yes many signs that there is more that what we can
see.
Yes, and its coming from your over active imagination!
We can see if someone is sic or in good health. We can see pics or
videos of surnaturals things or beings. Like UFO'S crops circle,
spirit on photos etc.
Only if your prone to believe in ghosts and deamens.
The best is to do stillness and listen to what you have inside.
Your imagination and dreams are NOT REALITY.
Truth, Beauty and Goodness.
Claude.
Hi Bill,
From a Perfector of Wisdom:

God dwells, has dwelt, and everlastingly will dwell in this same
central and eternal abode. We have always found him there and always
will. The Universal Father is cosmically focalized, spiritually
personalized, and geographically resident at this center of the
universe of universes.

We all know the direct course to pursue to find the Universal Father.
You are not able to comprehend much about the divine residence because
of its remoteness from you and the immensity of the intervening space,
but those who are able to comprehend the meaning of these enormous
distances know God's location and residence just as certainly and
literally as you know the location of New York, London, Rome, or
Singapore, cities definitely and geographically located on Urantia. If
you were an intelligent navigator, equipped with ship,
maps, and compass, you could readily find these cities. Likewise, if
you had the time and means of passage, were spiritually qualified, and
had the necessary guidance, you could be piloted through universe upon
universe and from circuit to circuit, ever journeying inward through
the starry realms, until at last you would stand before the central
shining of the spiritual glory of the Universal Father. Provided with
all the necessities for the journey, it is just as possible to find
the personal presence of God at the center of all things as to find
distant cities on your own planet. That you have not visited these
places in no way disproves their reality or actual existence. That so
few of the universe creatures have found God on Paradise in no way
disproves either the reality of his existence or the actuality of his
spiritual person at the center of all things.

He know what he is talking about.

Claude.
Orange
2008-08-16 23:55:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by SkyEyes
Post by Orange
Post by SkyEyes
Post by Orange
Post by Bill M
Religious believers base their beliefs on pure faith. They have NO objective
verifiable evidence to support their beliefs.
The 'subjective' evidence for most popular religions are ancient texts of
questionable veracity such as;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 20 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
These are only the major documents. There are many more.
These documents are largely made up of myths, fables and opinions of ancient
humans of limited knowledge and questionable veracity.
There are hundreds of different God beliefs and thousands of different
religious
beliefs. With so many different Gods and religions how is anyone to know
which god and religion is the real one and which are fakes???
If there was a real God, why would he permit his flock to be misled by so
many fakes and religions of infinitely varied beliefs and claims?
Why does any real God do his communicating through thousands of preachers,
priests, imams, gurus, mufti, rabbis, patriarchs, etc. of variable levels of
honesty and conformity?
The evidence is overwhelming that religious beliefs are based on peoples
imaginations and desires to relieve them from the panic fear of the finality
of death!
Hi Bill again,
It is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind desires to
comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like
as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit
identification. It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that
man yearns for God that results in universe ascension. What you are
today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day and in
eternity.
I think that to be spiritual is more important that what are our
beliefs.
Yes there exist a multitude of beliefs but for me it is not what it is
the more important.
When i meet some one i can "see" and feel or percieve if he or her is
"a good person" if they are honest or not, if they have self respect
or not and then if they respect me or can respect me.
It's not our "beliefs" that are the more important.
Yes, beliefs *are* more important. They go into making up what you
are. Do you think that none of the 19 9/11 terrorists were "good"
people? Their beliefs made them do what they did. Their beliefs made
them what they are.
Religion as a Natural Phenomenon_.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
Hello skyeyes,
1st you need to know that i am a french canadian and dont know very
well the english language...
You're doing just fine. I wish I wrote French as well as you write
English.
Post by Orange
2nd me too i am from a new-born christian family. I have began to read
the bible at 16 and seeking for doing the will of God...1 am 51
actualy.
I'm 58. I grew up a Christian fundamentalist (Conservative Baptist).
I read the bible through the first time the year that I was 8. I read
it through every year thereafter until I was 23. I've read it in
several different translations, including the King James and the
Douay, and I read it as a language exercise in German, Spanish, and
modern (Demotic) Greek.
I see absolutely *no* evidence that any god exists. The bible appears
to be a work of mythology written by people in the Bronze and Iron
Ages. Nothing about it seems to come from any kind of supreme, or
even merelyt supernatural, being. It is the work of men, pure and
simple.
Post by Orange
Three yeras and a half ago i have discovered The Urantia Book. I dont
know if you know this book. It have been transmitted to a USA group
between 1934-35.
I believe that it is a real new revelation of the truth like it is
said.
Before you can claim any work is a "revelation," you have to provide
evidence that there's a being out there who wants or needs to "reveal"
something. Once you've established that the being/beings actually
exist, then you can start talking about revelations.
Post by Orange
Yes our belifs are influencing us exept that from higher they look at
our intents and if we are sincere etc. There is a difference between
evil, error, sin and iniquity.
Those are all human concepts, and don't exist outside of human
culture. "Sin" and "iniquity" are *religious* concepts that don't
exist outside of your religion.
And before you can talk about anything looking at us "from higher,"
you need to provide objective evidence that there *is* something
"higher" looking down at us. Personally, I think it's all mythology.
There are no gods or "higher" beings, or indeed anything supernatural
- no unicorns, or fairies, or vampires, or gods. If you have objective
evidence that there *is* anything supernatural, please post it here.
You'll be the first to do so.
Brenda
You can give a look at this site too. Many see spirits and hear them.

http://board.1111angels.com/index.php
Bill M
2008-08-16 18:50:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill M
Religious believers base their beliefs on pure faith. They have NO objective
verifiable evidence to support their beliefs.
The 'subjective' evidence for most popular religions are ancient texts of
questionable veracity such as;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 20 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
These are only the major documents. There are many more.
These documents are largely made up of myths, fables and opinions of ancient
humans of limited knowledge and questionable veracity.
There are hundreds of different God beliefs and thousands of different
religious
beliefs. With so many different Gods and religions how is anyone to know
which god and religion is the real one and which are fakes???
If there was a real God, why would he permit his flock to be misled by so
many fakes and religions of infinitely varied beliefs and claims?
Why does any real God do his communicating through thousands of preachers,
priests, imams, gurus, mufti, rabbis, patriarchs, etc. of variable levels of
honesty and conformity?
The evidence is overwhelming that religious beliefs are based on peoples
imaginations and desires to relieve them from the panic fear of the finality
of death!
Hi Bill again,

It is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind desires to
comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like
as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit
identification. It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that
man yearns for God that results in universe ascension. What you are
today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day and in
eternity.

I think that to be spiritual is more important that what are our
beliefs.
Yes there exist a multitude of beliefs but for me it is not what it is
the more important.
When i meet some one i can "see" and feel or percieve if he or her is
"a good person" if they are honest or not, if they have self respect
or not and then if they respect me or can respect me.

It's not our "beliefs" that are the more important.

Your obviouslly a dreamer thast sees the world as you would like it to be,
not what is actually.

Dream on!
bob young
2008-08-17 05:03:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Orange
Post by Bill M
Religious believers base their beliefs on pure faith. They have NO objective
verifiable evidence to support their beliefs.
The 'subjective' evidence for most popular religions are ancient texts of
questionable veracity such as;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 20 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
These are only the major documents. There are many more.
These documents are largely made up of myths, fables and opinions of ancient
humans of limited knowledge and questionable veracity.
There are hundreds of different God beliefs and thousands of different
religious
beliefs. With so many different Gods and religions how is anyone to know
which god and religion is the real one and which are fakes???
If there was a real God, why would he permit his flock to be misled by so
many fakes and religions of infinitely varied beliefs and claims?
Why does any real God do his communicating through thousands of preachers,
priests, imams, gurus, mufti, rabbis, patriarchs, etc. of variable levels of
honesty and conformity?
The evidence is overwhelming that religious beliefs are based on peoples
imaginations and desires to relieve them from the panic fear of the finality
of death!
Hi Bill again,
It is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind desires to
comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like
as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit
identification.
Define 'spirit' using modern day terminology.

It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that
Post by Orange
man yearns for God that results in universe ascension.
Fewer and fewer these ays yearn for something vacuous that
they are taught about as children by elders who in turn were
taught by their parents, and so on until we reach right back
to the primitive that made it up.


What you are
Post by Orange
today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day
Good slogan, the last part is primitive nonsense

and in
Post by Orange
eternity.
I think that to be spiritual is more important that what are our
beliefs.
See above Re. defining spirit
Post by Orange
Yes there exist a multitude of beliefs but for me it is not what it is
the more important.
When i meet some one i can "see" and feel or percieve if he or her is
"a good person" if they are honest or not, if they have self respect
or not and then if they respect me or can respect me.
Very nice human sentiments all of which are reachable
without groveling to imaginary gods

Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.

Man creates gods in his own image;
and then wastes the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.
Post by Orange
It's not our "beliefs" that are the more important.
cm
Bill M
2008-08-17 14:28:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill M
Religious believers base their beliefs on pure faith. They have NO objective
verifiable evidence to support their beliefs.
The 'subjective' evidence for most popular religions are ancient texts of
questionable veracity such as;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 20 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
These are only the major documents. There are many more.
These documents are largely made up of myths, fables and opinions of ancient
humans of limited knowledge and questionable veracity.
There are hundreds of different God beliefs and thousands of different
religious
beliefs. With so many different Gods and religions how is anyone to know
which god and religion is the real one and which are fakes???
If there was a real God, why would he permit his flock to be misled by so
many fakes and religions of infinitely varied beliefs and claims?
Why does any real God do his communicating through thousands of preachers,
priests, imams, gurus, mufti, rabbis, patriarchs, etc. of variable levels of
honesty and conformity?
The evidence is overwhelming that religious beliefs are based on peoples
imaginations and desires to relieve them from the panic fear of the finality
of death!
Hi Bill again,

It is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind desires to
comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like
as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit
identification. It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that
man yearns for God that results in universe ascension. What you are
today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day and in
eternity.

I think that to be spiritual is more important that what are our
beliefs.
Yes there exist a multitude of beliefs but for me it is not what it is
the more important.
When i meet some one i can "see" and feel or percieve if he or her is
"a good person" if they are honest or not, if they have self respect
or not and then if they respect me or can respect me.

It's not our "beliefs" that are the more important.

Dream on! If you do not wish to run your life based on dreams, hopes and
wishes,
get an education and learn facts and reality.
Logan Square
2008-09-01 02:49:41 UTC
Permalink
Awwwww, Shaddap!
Post by Bill M
Religious believers base their beliefs on pure faith. They have NO
objective verifiable evidence to support their beliefs.
The 'subjective' evidence for most popular religions are ancient texts of
questionable veracity such as;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 20 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
These are only the major documents. There are many more.
These documents are largely made up of myths, fables and opinions of
ancient humans of limited knowledge and questionable veracity.
There are hundreds of different God beliefs and thousands of different
religious
beliefs. With so many different Gods and religions how is anyone to know
which god and religion is the real one and which are fakes???
If there was a real God, why would he permit his flock to be misled by so
many fakes and religions of infinitely varied beliefs and claims?
Why does any real God do his communicating through thousands of preachers,
priests, imams, gurus, mufti, rabbis, patriarchs, etc. of variable levels
of honesty and conformity?
The evidence is overwhelming that religious beliefs are based on peoples
imaginations and desires to relieve them from the panic fear of the
finality of death!
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