Discussion:
THE GOD CHALLENGE
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Bill M
2006-10-26 23:17:19 UTC
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I am challenging all religious believers to supply OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE
that their God actually exists. If you live your life based on your God
belief you should be
able to supply this evidence.

P. S. Ancient documents by other humans of unknown veracity are NOT
objective verifiable evidence.
They are merely the 'opinions' of other humans.
Uncle Vic
2006-10-27 06:23:21 UTC
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Post by Bill M
I am challenging all religious believers to supply OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE
that their God actually exists. If you live your life based on your God
belief you should be
able to supply this evidence.
P. S. Ancient documents by other humans of unknown veracity are NOT
objective verifiable evidence.
They are merely the 'opinions' of other humans.
Awww, Bill. That's not fair. If they could prove god exists, they could
also throw their faith out the window. And what would that accomplish?

Big Business Religion would no longer have an income.
Big Business Religion would no longer have control over a large
percentage of the population.
Big Business Religion would no longer have a major influence over
politics and government.

It's not in their interest to supply OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for
their beliefs, is it?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man
Midwinter
2006-10-27 13:47:51 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
It's not in their interest to supply OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for
their beliefs, is it?
Nor is it in Bill's interest. After all, if such faith were forthcoming,
he would have been robbed of a precious pastime.

I notice he is again directing his ire towards 'religious believers', and
demanding objective proof of something, without taking time to consider the
vast spectrum of belief systems that the term might include.
bob young
2006-10-31 13:03:02 UTC
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Post by Midwinter
Post by Uncle Vic
It's not in their interest to supply OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for
their beliefs, is it?
Nor is it in Bill's interest. After all, if such faith were forthcoming,
he would have been robbed of a precious pastime.
I notice he is again directing his ire towards 'religious believers', and
demanding objective proof of something, without taking time to consider the
vast spectrum of belief systems that the term might include.
that vast spectrum has one hting in common,
they are all man made,
so they all need to be proved
Midwinter
2006-10-31 21:07:43 UTC
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Post by bob young
that vast spectrum has one hting in common,
they are all man made,
so they all need to be proved
Interesting. If one *was* proved, it would be shown that it wasn't man
made, which, from your argument here, suggests that that one wouldn't
require proof.
Pastor Frank
2006-10-27 13:21:30 UTC
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Post by Bill M
I am challenging all religious believers to supply OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE
that their God actually exists. If you live your life based on your God
belief you should be able to supply this evidence.
No Bill. Though our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) and we are
to "evidence" our God by loving and caring action, we are not going to send
you all our money to prove our love for you. We would rather put our money
into the collection plate ...if you don't mind.
ZenIsWhen
2006-10-27 16:11:12 UTC
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Post by Pastor Frank
Post by Bill M
I am challenging all religious believers to supply OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE
that their God actually exists. If you live your life based on your God
belief you should be able to supply this evidence.
No Bill. Though our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) and we are
to "evidence" our God by loving and caring action, we are not going to
send you all our money to prove our love for you. We would rather put our
money into the collection plate ...if you don't mind.
True "love" needs no money - fool!
Pastor Frank
2006-10-28 00:45:08 UTC
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Post by ZenIsWhen
Post by Pastor Frank
Post by Bill M
I am challenging all religious believers to supply OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE
that their God actually exists. If you live your life based on your God
belief you should be able to supply this evidence.
No Bill. Though our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) and we are
to "evidence" our God by loving and caring action, we are not going to
send you all our money to prove our love for you. We would rather put our
money into the collection plate ...if you don't mind.
True "love" needs no money - fool!
Is that what you tell your girlfriend? I bet you are not married.
Uncle Vic
2006-10-28 06:20:51 UTC
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
Post by Pastor Frank
Post by ZenIsWhen
True "love" needs no money - fool!
Is that what you tell your girlfriend? I bet you are not married.
Do you pay for "true love", Frank?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man
the_Host
2006-11-01 03:44:47 UTC
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Post by ZenIsWhen
Post by Pastor Frank
Post by Bill M
I am challenging all religious believers to supply OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE
that their God actually exists. If you live your life based on your God
belief you should be able to supply this evidence.
No Bill. Though our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) and we are
to "evidence" our God by loving and caring action, we are not going to
send you all our money to prove our love for you. We would rather put our
money into the collection plate ...if you don't mind.
True "love" needs no money - fool!
Tell the poor that.
Tell the widows,
Tell the fatherless.

Did YOU give today Mr. Zen?

Host.

Uncle Vic
2006-10-27 19:40:16 UTC
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
Post by Pastor Frank
Post by Bill M
I am challenging all religious believers to supply OBJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE
that their God actually exists. If you live your life based on your
God belief you should be able to supply this evidence.
No Bill. Though our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)
Frank, your Christian god is "love or else".
Post by Pastor Frank
and we are
to "evidence" our God by loving and caring action, we are not going to
send you all our money to prove our love for you. We would rather put
our money into the collection plate ...if you don't mind.
Why does an omnipotent god need money? It's the church that wants your
money, and they bilk it from believers tax-free. They've even got you
believing it goes to a good cause. Like this one.

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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man
JessHC
2006-10-27 20:13:54 UTC
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Post by Pastor Frank
Post by Bill M
I am challenging all religious believers to supply OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE
that their God actually exists. If you live your life based on your God
belief you should be able to supply this evidence.
No Bill. Though our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) and we are
to "evidence" our God by loving and caring action, we are not going to send
you all our money to prove our love for you. We would rather put our money
into the collection plate ...if you don't mind.
You're hallucinating again; he didn't mention money.

If you really mean "love is my god," why not just say that?
Pastor Frank
2006-10-28 03:29:29 UTC
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Post by JessHC
Post by Pastor Frank
Post by Bill M
I am challenging all religious believers to supply OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE
that their God actually exists. If you live your life based on your God
belief you should be able to supply this evidence.
No Bill. Though our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) and we are
to "evidence" our God by loving and caring action, we are not going to send
you all our money to prove our love for you. We would rather put our money
into the collection plate ...if you don't mind.
You're hallucinating again; he didn't mention money.
Don't tell us what he did NOT say!!! But tell us what he means by
wanting "evidence". So tell us how he want our God evidenced to him. Most
atheists suggest we send them all our money as evidence for our love for
them, for our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16).
bob young
2006-10-31 13:05:03 UTC
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Post by Pastor Frank
Post by Bill M
I am challenging all religious believers to supply OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE
that their God actually exists. If you live your life based on your God
belief you should be able to supply this evidence.
No Bill. Though our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) and we are
to "evidence" our God by loving and caring action, we are not going to send
you all our money to prove our love for you. We would rather put our money
into the collection plate ...if you don't mind.
So - 'you have a love in' and your gods metamorphasises.

What banal crass bloody nonsense
rjbjr
2006-10-28 13:32:12 UTC
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Dear Bill,
You have avoided my question.
If you recall, I asked if you saw your best friend killed and then risen
from the dead a few days later, would that be the kind of objective evidence
you would need.

You said you would not answer as the question was a "hypothetical"
situation.

Science deals with hypotheticals all the time.
It's the basis for discovering new ideas and for testing theories.
I don't understand why you can't answer that question.

I'm trying to have a conversation. To me, you are asking an important
question, just like St Thomas did.

Different people require different levels of evidence. Some can just
believe from listening to a good sermon. Others need a "preponderance of
evidence" standard. Some people use a standard of "beyond reasonable
doubt". Then there is the standard used throughout many scientific
studies - 95% confidence levels. Then there is the standard of mathematical
certainty.

So, please try again to answer my question. I think you'll get more
satisfying responses if we know what standard of proof you are looking for.

Thanks,
Bob
Post by Bill M
I am challenging all religious believers to supply OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE
that their God actually exists. If you live your life based on your God
belief you should be
able to supply this evidence.
P. S. Ancient documents by other humans of unknown veracity are NOT
objective verifiable evidence.
They are merely the 'opinions' of other humans.
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