Discussion:
THOSE MANY GODS
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Bill M
2009-06-20 19:18:28 UTC
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It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God
beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods ACTUALLY
exist.



Quite the contrary, there is a wealth of positive objective verifiable
evidence that no Gods actually exist.



Objective evidence indicates the Universe is greater than 20 BILLION LIGHT
YEARS in diameter. When you consider that light travels at 186,000 MILES PER
SECOND the Universe is incomprehensible in size and by comparison, our
World, is but a speck of dust in this vast Universe.



The scientific evidence is that our World is over 4 BILLION YEARS old.
Archaeological evidence is that man has existed on earth for only 100,000
years. When the various books of the Bible were written, most of mankind
believed the world was flat and the Sun, Stars and Planets revolved around
the Earth. Many believed that Christopher Columbus, during his trip that
discovered the new continent, might sail to the edge of the earth, and might
fall off.



There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any Gods, Heavens, Sin,
Hells, Devils or Angels exist except in the imaginations of religionists.



We now know from actual evidence, the earth is but an inconsequential speck
of dust in this unimaginably vast Universe. It is scientific opinion that
thousands and perhaps millions of planets, similar to Earth, exist in this
huge Universe.



Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars, Cancers and hundreds
of debilitating diseases, serious body malfunctions and starvation exist
that torture both man and animals. There are 12,000 known ailments and
diseases that torture and kill man. A similar number torture and plaque the
rest of the animal kingdom. Thousands of destructive diseases affect the
plant kingdom. Why would an all powerful god create all these diseases to
torture and kill his creations??? These catastrophes affect people of ALL
religious beliefs including TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN and ANIMALS!



Just one small example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in West
Africa that bores through the eyes of innocent children and causes total
blindness for the rest of their lives. Is this evidence of a caring and
loving creator or any competent creator for that matter???



Why would any all powerful competent god permit totally innocent children to
die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed brain,
deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and others with
super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others pauper poor?
Why does he permit 2,000,000 totally innocent children to suffer and die of
starvation each year? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate
into a miserable and devastating old age?



Why would god create cave-dwelling creatures that live in complete
darkness, yet give them eyes that don't work?



If an all powerful god created this, why did he make so many horrible
mistakes and create this huge multitude of imperfections, pain and
suffering???

Why would any all powerful god create things like sharks, jelly fish,
octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging and poisonous
insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why would he create animals (including man)
that need to kill and eat other animals to survive?



IF there is an after life and a 'heaven' why does this all powerful, all
caring and all loving god not permit those in his heaven to communicate the
wonders of his heaven to their living children, relatives and friends? Why
all the secrecy and confusion? Unproven 'claims' by the mentally deranged
and persons with selfish motives are not objective verifiable evidence -
they are just unsubstantiated silly OPINIONS.



Logic and common sense that refutes the existence of any omnipotent gods;



Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him a god?



These god tales make no more sense than Aesop's Fables, the Harry Potter
stories, the Wizard of Oz, or Santa Claus.



Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
and benevolent God create animals (including man) that need to painfully
kill and eat other animals to survive?



World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.

World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.

The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!

There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.

The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.



Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.

These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
ALL religious persuasions.



Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air. Man has created a wonderful
medical and drug system and improved housing and food production. The result
of MAN'S inventiveness has DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was
created by any gods.



Objective verifiable evidence indicates the Universe is greater than 20
BILLION LIGHT YEARS in diameter. When you consider that light travels at
186,000 MILES PER SECOND the Universe is incomprehensible in size and by
comparison, our World, is but a speck of dust in this vast Universe.



The scientific evidence is that our World is over 4 BILLION YEARS old.
Archaeological evidence is that man has existed on earth for only 100,000 to
200,000 years. When the various books of the Bible were written, most of
mankind believed the world was flat and the Sun, Stars and Planets revolved
around the Earth. Many believed that Christopher Columbus might sail to the
edge of the earth, and might fall off, during his trip that discovered the
new continent.



By the 16 Th. century, scientists like Galileo, determined that the Earth,
Stars and Planets of our solar system revolved around the Sun. This spread
through the scientific community and the majority accepted this reality by
the 1800's. We now know from actual evidence, the earth is but an
inconsequential speck of dust in this unimaginably vast Universe. It is
scientific opinion that thousands and perhaps millions of planets, similar
to Earth, exist in this huge Universe.



Man is but grains of sand on this large Earth and less than dust in this
vast Universe. The 6 1/2 BILLION persons currently on this planet do not
appear to be of any significant consequence in this vast Universe.



Despite all these discoveries, NO_NADA objective verifiable evidence has
ever been found for the actual existence of any of the hundreds of Gods
believed in and worshipped

by man.
--
Bill M
Azure
2009-06-22 05:52:08 UTC
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Post by Bill M
It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God
beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods ACTUALLY
exist.
The Thousands you mean all walked the Earth, there are only a Few, "All
Things/One Gods", which I do not mean Jesus, he Walked the Earth, and as such is
not GOD.
Rama was a Human, and fought against Indra and the Gods who walked the Earth.
Buddha did also as did Krishna, Apollo and others, Jesus told people to "Pray to
the Father", he never once said "pray to me".

sowhatnow
2009-06-26 22:17:56 UTC
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Post by Azure
Post by Bill M
It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God
beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods ACTUALLY
exist.
The Thousands you mean all walked the Earth, there are only a Few, "All
Things/One Gods", which I do not mean Jesus, he Walked the Earth, and as such is
not GOD.
Rama was a Human, and fought against Indra and the Gods who walked the Earth.
Buddha did also as did Krishna, Apollo and others, Jesus told people to "Pray to
the Father", he never once said "pray to me".
bob young
2009-06-27 10:43:02 UTC
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Post by Azure
Post by Bill M
It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God
beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods ACTUALLY
exist.
The Thousands you mean all walked the Earth, there are only a Few, "All
Things/One Gods", which I do not mean Jesus, he Walked the Earth, and as such is
not GOD.
Rama was a Human, and fought against Indra and the Gods who walked the Earth.
Buddha did also as did Krishna, Apollo and others, Jesus told people to "Pray to
the Father", he never once said "pray to me".

You call that E V I D E N C E !!!!! ??????

Buddha was a human which is accepted he was not a god.

There is no proof of the existence of Jesus outside of ancient mythology.

CURTAIN RISES

[Menam, a Priest, is talking with his buddies in the temple].

�Brothers the flock are restless and I'm tired of them asking me 'Where is that god
you want us to pray to', they keep insisting on seeing him"

Rastus, [another priest]:

"I have the same problem, it's getting me down, they keep saying 'Produce him'. You
know the Vishnus down the road have a wooden god in a hut and more and more people
are going there to pray these days�

Influx [The Senior Priest]:

"Listen, let's invite that preacher fella Jesus to join us, he is popular and he
preaches well. We'll tell 'em he is god's son�.

Rastus. [Laughing]

�Don't be silly, how can we say that, he's just a preacher, gods don't send their
sons down to earth. How do we say he got here?�

Influx. [Thinks]

�Well we can tell them 'e was borne of a virgin. [Scratches head] I'm sure we can
find a virgin somewhere, if we look hard enough.

Rastus.

That won't be any use, when 'e dies we'll have to start all over again to find
another 'son of a god'. Anyway, they are not going to buy that yarn of yours a
second time around!

Influx. [Grins]

Aaah but listen. [Chuckles] When 'e dies we'll hide him away in a cave, steal the
body in the middle of the night and then, listen to this, your gonna love this,
[nudges Rastus in the ribs], then we'll tell them �He floated slowly up into the
sky to heaven just above the clouds [raises arms and makes floating motions] and he
now sits up there with god - Fellas we'll have 'em in the palm of our hands for
eternity.

[All priests together]:

"Spontaneous cheering�.
Azure
2009-06-29 05:53:39 UTC
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Post by Azure
Post by Bill M
It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God
beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods ACTUALLY
exist.
The Thousands you mean all walked the Earth, there are only a Few, "All
Things/One Gods", which I do not mean Jesus, he Walked the Earth, and as such is
not GOD.
Rama was a Human, and fought against Indra and the Gods who walked the Earth.
Buddha did also as did Krishna, Apollo and others, Jesus told people to "Pray to
the Father", he never once said "pray to me".
You call that E V I D E N C E� !!!!!� ??????
No!
I call that History!
Orange
2009-07-02 01:20:26 UTC
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Post by Bill M
It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God
beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods ACTUALLY
exist.
Quite the contrary, there is a wealth of positive objective verifiable
evidence that no Gods actually exist.
Objective evidence indicates the Universe is greater than 20 BILLION LIGHT
YEARS in diameter. When you consider that light travels at 186,000 MILES PER
SECOND the Universe is incomprehensible in size and by comparison, our
World, is but a speck of dust in this vast Universe.
The scientific evidence is that our World is over 4 BILLION YEARS old.
Archaeological evidence is that man has existed on earth for only 100,000
years. When the various books of the Bible were written, most of mankind
believed the world was flat and the Sun, Stars and Planets revolved around
the Earth. Many believed that Christopher Columbus, during his trip that
discovered the new continent, might sail to the edge of the earth, and might
fall off.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any Gods, Heavens, Sin,
Hells, Devils or Angels exist except in the imaginations of religionists.
We now know from actual evidence, the earth is but an inconsequential speck
of dust in this unimaginably vast Universe. It is scientific opinion that
thousands and perhaps millions of planets, similar to Earth, exist in this
huge Universe.
Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars, Cancers and hundreds
of debilitating diseases, serious body malfunctions and starvation exist
that torture both man and animals.  There are 12,000  known ailments and
diseases that torture and kill man. A similar number torture and plaque the
rest of the animal kingdom. Thousands of destructive diseases affect the
plant kingdom. Why would an all powerful god create all these diseases to
torture and kill his creations??? These catastrophes affect people of ALL
religious beliefs including TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN and ANIMALS!
Just one small example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in West
Africa that bores through the eyes of innocent children and causes total
blindness for the rest of their lives. Is this evidence of a caring and
loving creator or any competent creator for that matter???
Why would any all powerful competent god permit totally innocent children to
die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed brain,
deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and others with
super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others pauper poor?
Why does he permit 2,000,000 totally innocent children to suffer and die of
starvation each year? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate
into a miserable and devastating old age?
Why would god create cave-dwelling creatures that live in complete
darkness, yet give them eyes that don't work?
If an all powerful god created this, why did he make so many horrible
mistakes and create this huge multitude of imperfections, pain and
suffering???
Why would any all powerful god create things like sharks, jelly fish,
octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging and poisonous
insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why would he create animals (including man)
that need to kill and eat other animals to survive?
IF there is an after life and a 'heaven' why does this all powerful, all
caring and all loving god not permit those in his heaven to communicate the
wonders of his heaven to their living children, relatives and friends? Why
all the secrecy and confusion? Unproven 'claims' by the mentally deranged
and persons with selfish motives are not objective verifiable evidence -
they are just unsubstantiated silly OPINIONS.
Logic and common sense that refutes the existence of any omnipotent gods;
Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him a god?
These god tales make no more sense than Aesop's Fables, the Harry Potter
stories, the Wizard of Oz, or Santa Claus.
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
and benevolent God create animals (including man) that need to painfully
kill and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
ALL religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air. Man has created a wonderful
medical and drug system and improved housing and food production. The result
of MAN'S inventiveness has DOUBLED the average life span.  None of this was
created by any gods.
Objective verifiable evidence indicates the Universe is greater than 20
BILLION LIGHT YEARS in diameter. When you consider that light travels at
186,000 MILES PER SECOND the Universe is incomprehensible in size and by
comparison, our World, is but a speck of dust in this vast Universe.
The scientific evidence is that our World is over 4 BILLION YEARS old.
Archaeological evidence is that man has existed on earth for only 100,000 to
200,000 years. When the various books of the Bible were written, most of
mankind believed the world was flat and the Sun, Stars and Planets revolved
around the Earth. Many believed that Christopher Columbus might sail to the
edge of the earth, and might fall off, during his trip that discovered the
new continent.
By the 16 Th. century, scientists like Galileo, determined that the Earth,
Stars and Planets of our solar system revolved around the Sun. This spread
through the scientific community and the majority accepted this reality by
the 1800's. We now know from actual evidence, the earth is but an
inconsequential speck of dust in this unimaginably vast Universe. It is
scientific opinion that thousands and perhaps millions of planets, similar
to Earth, exist in this huge Universe.
Man is but grains of sand on this large Earth and less than dust in this
vast Universe. The 6 1/2 BILLION persons currently on this planet do not
appear to be of any significant consequence in this vast Universe.
Despite all these discoveries, NO_NADA objective verifiable evidence has
ever been found for the actual existence of any of the hundreds of Gods
believed in and worshipped
by man.
--
Bill M
You have some acceptables answers here: http://www.urantia.org/papers/foreword.html
Bill M
2009-07-04 10:52:49 UTC
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Post by Bill M
It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God
beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods ACTUALLY
exist.
You have some acceptables answers here:
http://www.urantia.org/papers/foreword.html

Urantia is purely your mental invention (defect). It does not exist even in
the Encyclopedia Britannica!

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