Discussion:
SOME GOD QUESTIONS
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Bill M
2007-07-18 19:11:33 UTC
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Although it is claimed that a God or gods created the Universe and every
thing in it, there is no objective tangible verifiable evidence available
for Gods actual existence.

1. No God ever speaks to over six billion sane humans on the planet.
2. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any longer life than
any other.
3. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any healthier or
wealthier life than any other.
4. Although billions of humans have died, NO demonstratively sane and honest
person ever hears from their dead spouse, mother, father, friend or relative
confirming their existence in some after life.
5. There are no instructions available that are known to have been written
by any God. The Bibles and other claimed holy documents were all written by
other men of unknown veracity. NO originals exist so we do not know what the
originals said or how authentic the existing copies are. Their authenticity
and accuracy are highly questionable.
6. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any God, Heaven, Hell,
Angels or Devils actually exist.
7. It is claimed that we do not hear from or see any of these things because
they are of another world. Yet this supposed God created the present world.
Why did he create it so different from his world? If he is all powerful why
did he not create communication between these different worlds?

Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and never
communicate directly with his creations?
Mark Earnest
2007-07-19 01:27:16 UTC
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"Bill M" wrote ...
Post by Bill M
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and never
communicate directly with his creations?
Because God is the prize.
You have to deserve the prize.
Uncle Vic
2007-07-19 05:06:13 UTC
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Post by Mark Earnest
"Bill M" wrote ...
Post by Bill M
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and
never
Post by Bill M
communicate directly with his creations?
Because God is the prize.
You have to deserve the prize.
Christers keep fighting over the prize. All think they deserve it, but
they make the mistake of excluding all the other Christers because they
don't worship alike. To this day, not one Christer can supply a shred of
objective evidence why he is right and the other guy is wrong.

Why do you deserve the prize, Mark?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
Mark Earnest
2007-07-19 17:15:03 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Mark Earnest
"Bill M" wrote ...
Post by Bill M
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and
never
Post by Bill M
communicate directly with his creations?
Because God is the prize.
You have to deserve the prize.
Christers keep fighting over the prize. All think they deserve it, but
they make the mistake of excluding all the other Christers because they
don't worship alike. To this day, not one Christer can supply a shred of
objective evidence why he is right and the other guy is wrong.
Why do you deserve the prize, Mark?
Because when searching reality for answers, I don't give up.
Uncle Vic
2007-07-19 23:09:20 UTC
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Post by Mark Earnest
Post by Uncle Vic
Christers keep fighting over the prize. All think they deserve it,
but they make the mistake of excluding all the other Christers
because they don't worship alike. To this day, not one Christer can
supply a shred of objective evidence why he is right and the other
guy is wrong.
Why do you deserve the prize, Mark?
Because when searching reality for answers, I don't give up.
It depends on the answers you want to accept. When searching for our
origins, most people want to find a creator. It's a much easier answer to
accept than evolution, especially since evolution is cold and hard and
doesn't supply any answers to what happens when we die.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
Mark Earnest
2007-07-19 23:32:59 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Mark Earnest
Post by Uncle Vic
Christers keep fighting over the prize. All think they deserve it,
but they make the mistake of excluding all the other Christers
because they don't worship alike. To this day, not one Christer can
supply a shred of objective evidence why he is right and the other
guy is wrong.
Why do you deserve the prize, Mark?
Because when searching reality for answers, I don't give up.
It depends on the answers you want to accept.
You search until you know.

Problem is, most people do not know precisely when they know something.
They only think that they know.
To know something, it has to have a verifiable ring of truth to it,
knowledge of which only comes from experience.


When searching for our
Post by Uncle Vic
origins, most people want to find a creator. It's a much easier answer to
accept than evolution, especially since evolution is cold and hard and
doesn't supply any answers to what happens when we die.
I accept evolution. Mosquitoes evolve in only a few months, when the
insecticide kills all but a few of them, who are immune to it, and live to
reproduce.

Evolution, from my point of view, is merely God's tool he uses in creation.
Uncle Vic
2007-07-20 00:07:59 UTC
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Post by Mark Earnest
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Mark Earnest
Because when searching reality for answers, I don't give up.
It depends on the answers you want to accept.
You search until you know.
Problem is, most people do not know precisely when they know
something. They only think that they know.
To know something, it has to have a verifiable ring of truth to it,
knowledge of which only comes from experience.
When searching for our
Post by Uncle Vic
origins, most people want to find a creator. It's a much easier
answer to accept than evolution, especially since evolution is cold
and hard and doesn't supply any answers to what happens when we die.
I accept evolution. Mosquitoes evolve in only a few months, when the
insecticide kills all but a few of them, who are immune to it, and
live to reproduce.
Evolution, from my point of view, is merely God's tool he uses in creation.
That's not searching, it's rationalization. Science debunks creationism
with evolution, so the creationists have to find a way to accept reality,
and still keep their fantasy. Yours is a popular delusion.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
Mark Earnest
2007-07-20 00:38:53 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Mark Earnest
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Mark Earnest
Because when searching reality for answers, I don't give up.
It depends on the answers you want to accept.
You search until you know.
Problem is, most people do not know precisely when they know
something. They only think that they know.
To know something, it has to have a verifiable ring of truth to it,
knowledge of which only comes from experience.
When searching for our
Post by Uncle Vic
origins, most people want to find a creator. It's a much easier
answer to accept than evolution, especially since evolution is cold
and hard and doesn't supply any answers to what happens when we die.
I accept evolution. Mosquitoes evolve in only a few months, when the
insecticide kills all but a few of them, who are immune to it, and
live to reproduce.
Evolution, from my point of view, is merely God's tool he uses in creation.
That's not searching, it's rationalization. Science debunks creationism
with evolution, so the creationists have to find a way to accept reality,
and still keep their fantasy. Yours is a popular delusion.
Even though man evolved from simpler forms of life, you can still tell
that God created him, from the sheer dynamity of the human organism,
and by the manner in which he curses and blesses things, he shows God's
image in him.
Uncle Vic
2007-07-20 02:24:01 UTC
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Post by Mark Earnest
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Mark Earnest
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Mark Earnest
Because when searching reality for answers, I don't give up.
It depends on the answers you want to accept.
You search until you know.
Problem is, most people do not know precisely when they know
something. They only think that they know.
To know something, it has to have a verifiable ring of truth to it,
knowledge of which only comes from experience.
When searching for our
Post by Uncle Vic
origins, most people want to find a creator. It's a much easier
answer to accept than evolution, especially since evolution is
cold and hard and doesn't supply any answers to what happens when
we die.
I accept evolution. Mosquitoes evolve in only a few months, when
the insecticide kills all but a few of them, who are immune to it,
and live to reproduce.
Evolution, from my point of view, is merely God's tool he uses in creation.
That's not searching, it's rationalization. Science debunks
creationism with evolution, so the creationists have to find a way to
accept reality, and still keep their fantasy. Yours is a popular
delusion.
Even though man evolved from simpler forms of life, you can still tell
that God created him, from the sheer dynamity of the human organism,
and by the manner in which he curses and blesses things, he shows
God's image in him.
Simply because *you* don't understand how it possibly could have happened
by itself is not a reason that scientists should just give up the ghost
and accept magic as the cause of everything.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
Mark Earnest
2007-07-20 02:34:11 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Mark Earnest
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Mark Earnest
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Mark Earnest
Because when searching reality for answers, I don't give up.
It depends on the answers you want to accept.
You search until you know.
Problem is, most people do not know precisely when they know
something. They only think that they know.
To know something, it has to have a verifiable ring of truth to it,
knowledge of which only comes from experience.
When searching for our
Post by Uncle Vic
origins, most people want to find a creator. It's a much easier
answer to accept than evolution, especially since evolution is
cold and hard and doesn't supply any answers to what happens when
we die.
I accept evolution. Mosquitoes evolve in only a few months, when
the insecticide kills all but a few of them, who are immune to it,
and live to reproduce.
Evolution, from my point of view, is merely God's tool he uses in creation.
That's not searching, it's rationalization. Science debunks
creationism with evolution, so the creationists have to find a way to
accept reality, and still keep their fantasy. Yours is a popular
delusion.
Even though man evolved from simpler forms of life, you can still tell
that God created him, from the sheer dynamity of the human organism,
and by the manner in which he curses and blesses things, he shows
God's image in him.
Simply because *you* don't understand how it possibly could have happened
by itself is not a reason that scientists should just give up the ghost
and accept magic as the cause of everything.
It wasn't magic, it was hard work.
The magic happens later, when the angels start revealing themselves.
Uncle Vic
2007-07-20 05:26:20 UTC
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Post by Mark Earnest
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Mark Earnest
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Mark Earnest
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Mark Earnest
Because when searching reality for answers, I don't give up.
It depends on the answers you want to accept.
You search until you know.
Problem is, most people do not know precisely when they know
something. They only think that they know.
To know something, it has to have a verifiable ring of truth to
it, knowledge of which only comes from experience.
When searching for our
Post by Uncle Vic
origins, most people want to find a creator. It's a much
easier answer to accept than evolution, especially since
evolution is cold and hard and doesn't supply any answers to
what happens when we die.
I accept evolution. Mosquitoes evolve in only a few months,
when the insecticide kills all but a few of them, who are immune
to it, and live to reproduce.
Evolution, from my point of view, is merely God's tool he uses in creation.
That's not searching, it's rationalization. Science debunks
creationism with evolution, so the creationists have to find a way
to accept reality, and still keep their fantasy. Yours is a
popular delusion.
Even though man evolved from simpler forms of life, you can still
tell that God created him, from the sheer dynamity of the human
organism, and by the manner in which he curses and blesses things,
he shows God's image in him.
Simply because *you* don't understand how it possibly could have
happened by itself is not a reason that scientists should just give
up the ghost and accept magic as the cause of everything.
It wasn't magic, it was hard work.
The magic happens later, when the angels start revealing themselves.
Now that's just silly.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
bob young
2007-07-20 12:34:03 UTC
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Post by Mark Earnest
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Mark Earnest
Post by Uncle Vic
Christers keep fighting over the prize. All think they deserve it,
but they make the mistake of excluding all the other Christers
because they don't worship alike. To this day, not one Christer can
supply a shred of objective evidence why he is right and the other
guy is wrong.
Why do you deserve the prize, Mark?
Because when searching reality for answers, I don't give up.
It depends on the answers you want to accept.
You search until you know.
Problem is, most people do not know precisely when they know something.
They only think that they know.
To know something, it has to have a verifiable ring of truth to it,
knowledge of which only comes from experience.
When searching for our
Post by Uncle Vic
origins, most people want to find a creator. It's a much easier answer to
accept than evolution, especially since evolution is cold and hard and
doesn't supply any answers to what happens when we die.
I accept evolution. Mosquitoes evolve in only a few months, when the
insecticide kills all but a few of them, who are immune to it, and live to
reproduce.
Evolution, from my point of view, is merely God's tool he uses in
creation......
...cute and satisfying to your ilk
- but plainly juvenile
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-07-19 12:01:22 UTC
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Post by Mark Earnest
"Bill M" wrote ...
Post by Bill M
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and
never
Post by Bill M
communicate directly with his creations?
Because God is the prize.
You have to deserve the prize.
Oh brother. He found "god" in his Cracker Jacks...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.

"Climb out of your holes people!"

- Dr. House, on faith
Gospel Bretts
2007-07-20 22:40:03 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:01:22 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
Post by Mark K. Bilbo
Post by Mark Earnest
"Bill M" wrote ...
Post by Bill M
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and
never
Post by Bill M
communicate directly with his creations?
Because God is the prize.
You have to deserve the prize.
Oh brother. He found "god" in his Cracker Jacks...
ROFLMAO!
__________________

Gospel Bretts
a.a. Atheist #2262
Fundy Xian Atheist

"These guys are so high on wishful thinking,
they think that's what reality is." -- Uncle Vic, 07-17-2007
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
2007-07-20 08:13:46 UTC
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Post by Mark Earnest
"Bill M" wrote ...
Post by Bill M
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and
never
Post by Bill M
communicate directly with his creations?
Because God is the prize.
You have to deserve the prize.
thanks, hey, that obviously explains why this great "prize" of a god sits on
his FAT, LAZY ASS, laughing his SICK, SADISTIC ASS off while children are
being raped and murdered
bob young
2007-07-20 12:31:03 UTC
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Post by Mark Earnest
"Bill M" wrote ...
Post by Bill M
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and
never
Post by Bill M
communicate directly with his creations?
Because God is the prize.
You have to deserve the prize.....
now THAT sounds somewhat childish to me
David V.
2007-07-19 03:02:49 UTC
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Post by Bill M
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and
secretive and never communicate directly with his creations?
Because there are no real gods - they're all myths.
--
Dave

"Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain.
Brad Filippone
2007-07-19 16:28:46 UTC
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David V. (***@hotmail.com) wrote:
: Bill M wrote:
: >
: > Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and
: > secretive and never communicate directly with his creations?

: Because there are no real gods - they're all myths.

That's not what they told me the other day.

Brad
David V.
2007-07-20 01:54:33 UTC
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Post by Brad Filippone
: >
: > Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and
: > secretive and never communicate directly with his creations?
: Because there are no real gods - they're all myths.
That's not what they told me the other day.
You are probably just listening to the wrong gods.
--
Dave

"Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain.
Brad Filippone
2007-07-23 15:06:38 UTC
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David V. (***@hotmail.com) wrote:
: Brad Filippone wrote:
: > David V. (***@hotmail.com) wrote:
: > : Bill M wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and
: > : > secretive and never communicate directly with his creations?
: >
: > : Because there are no real gods - they're all myths.
: >
: > That's not what they told me the other day.

: You are probably just listening to the wrong gods.

Well, there was Zeus, Osirus, Woden. Why wouldn't I trust them?

Brad
David V.
2007-07-24 02:34:37 UTC
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Post by Brad Filippone
: > : >
: > : > Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and
: > : > secretive and never communicate directly with his creations?
: >
: > : Because there are no real gods - they're all myths.
: >
: > That's not what they told me the other day.
: You are probably just listening to the wrong gods.
Well, there was Zeus, Osirus, Woden. Why wouldn't I trust them?
I'd trust those gods before I trusted that asinine christian one.
--
Dave

"Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain.
Barbi
2007-07-19 03:26:24 UTC
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Post by Bill M
Although it is claimed that a God or gods created the Universe and every
thing in it, there is no objective tangible verifiable evidence available
for Gods actual existence.
1. No God ever speaks to over six billion sane humans on the planet.
God speaks through his annointed one G.W. Bush. Sorry, I see you don't
include the insane.
Post by Bill M
2. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any longer life than
any other.
But they have eternal life. Forget that all the Christains who have died
are still dead, shhhhh
Post by Bill M
3. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any healthier or
wealthier life than any other.
"If there are Gods they do not help and justice belongs to the strong"
Klingon Proverb
Post by Bill M
4. Although billions of humans have died, NO demonstratively sane and honest
person ever hears from their dead spouse, mother, father, friend or relative
confirming their existence in some after life.
No but people have dreams of the dead. Grief is powerful enough that I
am sure some people suffer delusions.
Post by Bill M
5. There are no instructions available that are known to have been written
by any God. The Bibles and other claimed holy documents were all written by
other men of unknown veracity. NO originals exist so we do not know what the
originals said or how authentic the existing copies are. Their
authenticity
and accuracy are highly questionable.
The sheep hear and they OBEY! Mans original sin according to the Bible
was wanting to know shit.
Post by Bill M
6. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any God, Heaven, Hell,
Angels or Devils actually exist.
No but they are damn useful for mind control.
Post by Bill M
7. It is claimed that we do not hear from or see any of these things because
they are of another world. Yet this supposed God created the present world.
Why did he create it so different from his world? If he is all powerful why
did he not create communication between these different worlds?
Just take the red pill!
Post by Bill M
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and never
communicate directly with his creations?
-the HoSt-
2007-07-19 15:44:30 UTC
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lol, what do you care?

H.
Post by Bill M
Although it is claimed that a God or gods created the Universe and every
thing in it, there is no objective tangible verifiable evidence available
for Gods actual existence.
1. No God ever speaks to over six billion sane humans on the planet.
2. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any longer life than
any other.
3. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any healthier or
wealthier life than any other.
4. Although billions of humans have died, NO demonstratively sane and honest
person ever hears from their dead spouse, mother, father, friend or relative
confirming their existence in some after life.
5. There are no instructions available that are known to have been written
by any God. The Bibles and other claimed holy documents were all written by
other men of unknown veracity. NO originals exist so we do not know what the
originals said or how authentic the existing copies are. Their
authenticity
Post by Bill M
and accuracy are highly questionable.
6. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any God, Heaven, Hell,
Angels or Devils actually exist.
7. It is claimed that we do not hear from or see any of these things because
they are of another world. Yet this supposed God created the present world.
Why did he create it so different from his world? If he is all powerful why
did he not create communication between these different worlds?
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and never
communicate directly with his creations?
bob young
2007-08-04 05:39:01 UTC
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Post by -the HoSt-
lol, what do you care?
H.
Oh we care alright.

We care every day when we open a newspaper or turn on the TV to learn that yet
again people have died at the hands of other people who object to a group that
follows a different imaginary god than theirs because it fills them with fear
and insecurtity.

We care because, not before long, some Islamic religious fanatic will his hands
on a dirty bomb or an Islamic country will get a real nuclear device and then
millions will die in 'The First Religious Nuclear War' - a war that may well
wipe out a third of humanity - all in the name of imaginary gods.
'
Yes we care alright

bob
humanist Brit.
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
Although it is claimed that a God or gods created the Universe and every
thing in it, there is no objective tangible verifiable evidence available
for Gods actual existence.
1. No God ever speaks to over six billion sane humans on the planet.
2. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any longer life
than
Post by Bill M
any other.
3. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any healthier or
wealthier life than any other.
4. Although billions of humans have died, NO demonstratively sane and
honest
Post by Bill M
person ever hears from their dead spouse, mother, father, friend or
relative
Post by Bill M
confirming their existence in some after life.
5. There are no instructions available that are known to have been written
by any God. The Bibles and other claimed holy documents were all written
by
Post by Bill M
other men of unknown veracity. NO originals exist so we do not know what
the
Post by Bill M
originals said or how authentic the existing copies are. Their
authenticity
Post by Bill M
and accuracy are highly questionable.
6. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any God, Heaven, Hell,
Angels or Devils actually exist.
7. It is claimed that we do not hear from or see any of these things
because
Post by Bill M
they are of another world. Yet this supposed God created the present
world.
Post by Bill M
Why did he create it so different from his world? If he is all powerful
why
Post by Bill M
did he not create communication between these different worlds?
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and
never
Post by Bill M
communicate directly with his creations?
-the HoSt-
2007-08-05 16:59:22 UTC
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Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
lol, what do you care?
H.
Oh we care alright.
We care every day when we open a newspaper or turn on the TV to learn that yet
again people have died at the hands of other people who object to a group that
follows a different imaginary god than theirs because it fills them with fear
and insecurtity.
We care because, not before long, some Islamic religious fanatic will his hands
on a dirty bomb or an Islamic country will get a real nuclear device and then
millions will die in 'The First Religious Nuclear War' - a war that may well
wipe out a third of humanity - all in the name of imaginary gods.
'
Yes we care alright
bob
humanist Brit.
Don't take what I stated out of context please.
I am stating, "Why do you care about something you claim does not exist?"
Go about your happy life.
You Atheists going on about how God does not exist and there is no Heaven
and Hell, blah blah blah, is about as good as me saying elements inside the
U_S coordinated the attacks in New York to make it seem that we were
attacked from without so Bush could succeed at becoming America's first
dictator (he has pretty much succeeded).
If I remember correctly, Bush said he was a "born-again" Christian. Actually
he is just a wolf in the fold looking for votes. He deceived a lot of people
at the expense of the blood of Christ.
Unfortunately, the "Christians" most people know are the ones who are into
it for fame and recognition. The Christians who actually try to follow the
will of the Spirit are the ones who you never really hear about, mainly
because they are not "rich and beautiful", or to put it more simply,
"American Idols". They are not power hungry, they are not willing to kill
for a buck, they believe in helping others like they would themself: much
more socialistic. So basically they do not fit into the corporate picture,
and the system exploits them, just like Bush did.
Nice guys finish last, eh?
You wouldn't happen to be a nice guy now would you Bob?

Me.
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
Although it is claimed that a God or gods created the Universe and every
thing in it, there is no objective tangible verifiable evidence available
for Gods actual existence.
1. No God ever speaks to over six billion sane humans on the planet.
2. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any longer life
than
Post by Bill M
any other.
3. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any healthier or
wealthier life than any other.
4. Although billions of humans have died, NO demonstratively sane and
honest
Post by Bill M
person ever hears from their dead spouse, mother, father, friend or
relative
Post by Bill M
confirming their existence in some after life.
5. There are no instructions available that are known to have been written
by any God. The Bibles and other claimed holy documents were all written
by
Post by Bill M
other men of unknown veracity. NO originals exist so we do not know what
the
Post by Bill M
originals said or how authentic the existing copies are. Their
authenticity
Post by Bill M
and accuracy are highly questionable.
6. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any God, Heaven, Hell,
Angels or Devils actually exist.
7. It is claimed that we do not hear from or see any of these things
because
Post by Bill M
they are of another world. Yet this supposed God created the present
world.
Post by Bill M
Why did he create it so different from his world? If he is all powerful
why
Post by Bill M
did he not create communication between these different worlds?
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and
never
Post by Bill M
communicate directly with his creations?
Christopher A.Lee
2007-08-05 16:03:18 UTC
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Post by -the HoSt-
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
lol, what do you care?
H.
Oh we care alright.
We care every day when we open a newspaper or turn on the TV to learn that
yet
Post by bob young
again people have died at the hands of other people who object to a group
that
Post by bob young
follows a different imaginary god than theirs because it fills them with
fear
Post by bob young
and insecurtity.
We care because, not before long, some Islamic religious fanatic will his
hands
Post by bob young
on a dirty bomb or an Islamic country will get a real nuclear device and
then
Post by bob young
millions will die in 'The First Religious Nuclear War' - a war that may
well
Post by bob young
wipe out a third of humanity - all in the name of imaginary gods.
'
Yes we care alright
bob
humanist Brit.
Don't take what I stated out of context please.
I am stating, "Why do you care about something you claim does not exist?"
We wouldn't give a flying fuck about it if you sociopaths could only
live and let live, lying moron.
Post by -the HoSt-
Go about your happy life.
You Atheists going on about how God does not exist and there is no Heaven
Liar.
Post by -the HoSt-
and Hell, blah blah blah, is about as good as me saying elements inside the
U_S coordinated the attacks in New York to make it seem that we were
Liar.
Post by -the HoSt-
attacked from without so Bush could succeed at becoming America's first
dictator (he has pretty much succeeded).
If I remember correctly, Bush said he was a "born-again" Christian. Actually
he is just a wolf in the fold looking for votes. He deceived a lot of people
at the expense of the blood of Christ.
Liar.
Post by -the HoSt-
Unfortunately, the "Christians" most people know are the ones who are into
it for fame and recognition. The Christians who actually try to follow the
will of the Spirit are the ones who you never really hear about, mainly
because they are not "rich and beautiful", or to put it more simply,
"American Idols". They are not power hungry, they are not willing to kill
for a buck, they believe in helping others like they would themself: much
more socialistic. So basically they do not fit into the corporate picture,
and the system exploits them, just like Bush did.
Liar.
Post by -the HoSt-
Nice guys finish last, eh?
You wouldn't happen to be a nice guy now would you Bob?
Me.
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
Although it is claimed that a God or gods created the Universe and
every
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
thing in it, there is no objective tangible verifiable evidence
available
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
for Gods actual existence.
1. No God ever speaks to over six billion sane humans on the planet.
2. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any longer
life
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
than
Post by Bill M
any other.
3. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any healthier
or
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
wealthier life than any other.
4. Although billions of humans have died, NO demonstratively sane and
honest
Post by Bill M
person ever hears from their dead spouse, mother, father, friend or
relative
Post by Bill M
confirming their existence in some after life.
5. There are no instructions available that are known to have been
written
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
by any God. The Bibles and other claimed holy documents were all
written
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
by
Post by Bill M
other men of unknown veracity. NO originals exist so we do not know
what
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
the
Post by Bill M
originals said or how authentic the existing copies are. Their
authenticity
Post by Bill M
and accuracy are highly questionable.
6. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any God, Heaven,
Hell,
Post by bob young
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Post by Bill M
Angels or Devils actually exist.
7. It is claimed that we do not hear from or see any of these things
because
Post by Bill M
they are of another world. Yet this supposed God created the present
world.
Post by Bill M
Why did he create it so different from his world? If he is all
powerful
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
why
Post by Bill M
did he not create communication between these different worlds?
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and
never
Post by Bill M
communicate directly with his creations?
-the HoSt-
2007-08-05 20:15:00 UTC
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Post by Christopher A.Lee
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
lol, what do you care?
H.
Oh we care alright.
We care every day when we open a newspaper or turn on the TV to learn that
yet
Post by bob young
again people have died at the hands of other people who object to a group
that
Post by bob young
follows a different imaginary god than theirs because it fills them with
fear
Post by bob young
and insecurtity.
We care because, not before long, some Islamic religious fanatic will his
hands
Post by bob young
on a dirty bomb or an Islamic country will get a real nuclear device and
then
Post by bob young
millions will die in 'The First Religious Nuclear War' - a war that may
well
Post by bob young
wipe out a third of humanity - all in the name of imaginary gods.
'
Yes we care alright
bob
humanist Brit.
Don't take what I stated out of context please.
I am stating, "Why do you care about something you claim does not exist?"
We wouldn't give a flying fuck about it if you sociopaths could only
live and let live, lying moron.
Post by -the HoSt-
Go about your happy life.
You Atheists going on about how God does not exist and there is no Heaven
Liar.
Post by -the HoSt-
and Hell, blah blah blah, is about as good as me saying elements inside the
U_S coordinated the attacks in New York to make it seem that we were
Liar.
Post by -the HoSt-
attacked from without so Bush could succeed at becoming America's first
dictator (he has pretty much succeeded).
If I remember correctly, Bush said he was a "born-again" Christian. Actually
he is just a wolf in the fold looking for votes. He deceived a lot of people
at the expense of the blood of Christ.
Liar.
Post by -the HoSt-
Unfortunately, the "Christians" most people know are the ones who are into
it for fame and recognition. The Christians who actually try to follow the
will of the Spirit are the ones who you never really hear about, mainly
because they are not "rich and beautiful", or to put it more simply,
"American Idols". They are not power hungry, they are not willing to kill
for a buck, they believe in helping others like they would themself: much
more socialistic. So basically they do not fit into the corporate picture,
and the system exploits them, just like Bush did.
Liar.
HAHAH, LOL, whew! That was good for a good laugh, at Christopher's expense
of course!

Hahahah, oh man...,
Host.
Post by Christopher A.Lee
Post by -the HoSt-
Nice guys finish last, eh?
You wouldn't happen to be a nice guy now would you Bob?
Me.
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
Although it is claimed that a God or gods created the Universe and
every
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
thing in it, there is no objective tangible verifiable evidence
available
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
for Gods actual existence.
1. No God ever speaks to over six billion sane humans on the planet.
2. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any longer
life
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
than
Post by Bill M
any other.
3. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any healthier
or
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
wealthier life than any other.
4. Although billions of humans have died, NO demonstratively sane and
honest
Post by Bill M
person ever hears from their dead spouse, mother, father, friend or
relative
Post by Bill M
confirming their existence in some after life.
5. There are no instructions available that are known to have been
written
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
by any God. The Bibles and other claimed holy documents were all
written
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
by
Post by Bill M
other men of unknown veracity. NO originals exist so we do not know
what
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
the
Post by Bill M
originals said or how authentic the existing copies are. Their
authenticity
Post by Bill M
and accuracy are highly questionable.
6. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any God, Heaven,
Hell,
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
Angels or Devils actually exist.
7. It is claimed that we do not hear from or see any of these things
because
Post by Bill M
they are of another world. Yet this supposed God created the present
world.
Post by Bill M
Why did he create it so different from his world? If he is all
powerful
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
why
Post by Bill M
did he not create communication between these different worlds?
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and
never
Post by Bill M
communicate directly with his creations?
David V.
2007-08-05 16:09:05 UTC
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Don't take what I stated out of context please. I am stating,
"Why do you care about something you claim does not exist?" Go
about your happy life.
Because idiots like you try to force your gods into our lives,
our schools, our sex lives, our court rooms, our government, our
laws. If YOU would keep your religion to yourself, in your homes
and churches, where it belongs, there would be no problem.
--
Dave

"Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain.
-the HoSt-
2007-08-05 20:25:35 UTC
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Post by David V.
Don't take what I stated out of context please. I am stating,
"Why do you care about something you claim does not exist?" Go
about your happy life.
Because idiots like you try to force your gods into our lives,
our schools, our sex lives, our court rooms, our government, our
laws. If YOU would keep your religion to yourself, in your homes
and churches, where it belongs, there would be no problem.
--
Dave
Unfortunately you have it backwards, it is "idiots" like you who are trying
to force god out of our lives.

The creed of the Atheist:
No morals,
No virtues,
No law.
Do whatever feels good: after I die reality dies with me.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Host.
David V.
2007-08-05 19:32:18 UTC
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Post by -the HoSt-
Post by David V.
Don't take what I stated out of context please. I am
stating, "Why do you care about something you claim does
not exist?" Go about your happy life.
Because idiots like you try to force your gods into our
lives, our schools, our sex lives, our court rooms, our
government, our laws. If YOU would keep your religion to
yourself, in your homes and churches, where it belongs,
there would be no problem. -- Dave
Unfortunately you have it backwards,
No, I don't. It seems your religion has accomplished it's mission
- it's killed off what few working brain cells you ever had.
--
Dave

"Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain.
Christopher A.Lee
2007-08-05 20:36:30 UTC
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Post by -the HoSt-
Post by David V.
Don't take what I stated out of context please. I am stating,
"Why do you care about something you claim does not exist?" Go
about your happy life.
Because idiots like you try to force your gods into our lives,
our schools, our sex lives, our court rooms, our government, our
laws. If YOU would keep your religion to yourself, in your homes
and churches, where it belongs, there would be no problem.
--
Dave
Unfortunately you have it backwards, it is "idiots" like you who are trying
to force god out of our lives.
Liar.
There isn't one, liar.
Post by -the HoSt-
No morals,
Liar.
Post by -the HoSt-
No virtues,
Liar.
Post by -the HoSt-
No law.
Liar.
Post by -the HoSt-
Do whatever feels good: after I die reality dies with me.
Liar.
Post by -the HoSt-
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Liar.
Post by -the HoSt-
Host.
Moron.
-the HoSt-
2007-08-05 20:33:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by David V.
Don't take what I stated out of context please. I am stating,
"Why do you care about something you claim does not exist?" Go
about your happy life.
Because idiots like you try to force your gods into our lives,
our schools, our sex lives, our court rooms, our government, our
laws. If YOU would keep your religion to yourself, in your homes
and churches, where it belongs, there would be no problem.
--
Dave
Unfortunately you have it backwards, it is "idiots" like you who are trying
to force god out of our lives.

The creed of the Atheist:
No morals,
No virtues,
No law.
Do whatever feels good: after I die, reality dies with me.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Host.
bob young
2007-08-06 11:37:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
lol, what do you care?
H.
Oh we care alright.
We care every day when we open a newspaper or turn on the TV to learn that
yet
Post by bob young
again people have died at the hands of other people who object to a group
that
Post by bob young
follows a different imaginary god than theirs because it fills them with
fear
Post by bob young
and insecurtity.
We care because, not before long, some Islamic religious fanatic will his
hands
Post by bob young
on a dirty bomb or an Islamic country will get a real nuclear device and
then
Post by bob young
millions will die in 'The First Religious Nuclear War' - a war that may
well
Post by bob young
wipe out a third of humanity - all in the name of imaginary gods.
'
Yes we care alright
bob
humanist Brit.
Don't take what I stated out of context please.
I am stating, "Why do you care about something you claim does not exist?"
Go about your happy life.
You Atheists going on about how God does not exist and there is no Heaven
and Hell, blah blah blah, is about as good as me saying elements inside the
U_S coordinated the attacks in New York to make it seem that we were
attacked from without so Bush could succeed at becoming America's first
dictator (he has pretty much succeeded).
If I remember correctly, Bush said he was a "born-again" Christian. Actually
he is just a wolf in the fold looking for votes. He deceived a lot of people
at the expense of the blood of Christ.
Unfortunately, the "Christians" most people know are the ones who are into
it for fame and recognition. The Christians who actually try to follow the
will of the Spirit are the ones who you never really hear about, mainly
because they are not "rich and beautiful", or to put it more simply,
"American Idols". They are not power hungry, they are not willing to kill
for a buck, they believe in helping others like they would themself: much
more socialistic. So basically they do not fit into the corporate picture,
and the system exploits them, just like Bush did.
Nice guys finish last, eh?
You wouldn't happen to be a nice guy now would you Bob?
I would hope so, but 'if not reading your rather heavy prose above' denies me
being one, well
i will have to stick with it.

Bob
Caring Atheist and humanist

Here's another

There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who cannot face
the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths. Almost inevitably
some part of him is aware that they are myths and that he believes them only
because they are comforting. But he dare not face this thought! Moreover, since
he is aware, however dimly, that his opinions are not rational, he becomes
furious when they are disputed.
[Bertrand Russell]
Post by -the HoSt-
Me.
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
Although it is claimed that a God or gods created the Universe and
every
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
thing in it, there is no objective tangible verifiable evidence
available
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
for Gods actual existence.
1. No God ever speaks to over six billion sane humans on the planet.
2. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any longer
life
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
than
Post by Bill M
any other.
3. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any healthier
or
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
wealthier life than any other.
4. Although billions of humans have died, NO demonstratively sane and
honest
Post by Bill M
person ever hears from their dead spouse, mother, father, friend or
relative
Post by Bill M
confirming their existence in some after life.
5. There are no instructions available that are known to have been
written
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
by any God. The Bibles and other claimed holy documents were all
written
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
by
Post by Bill M
other men of unknown veracity. NO originals exist so we do not know
what
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
the
Post by Bill M
originals said or how authentic the existing copies are. Their
authenticity
Post by Bill M
and accuracy are highly questionable.
6. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any God, Heaven,
Hell,
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
Post by Bill M
Angels or Devils actually exist.
7. It is claimed that we do not hear from or see any of these things
because
Post by Bill M
they are of another world. Yet this supposed God created the present
world.
Post by Bill M
Why did he create it so different from his world? If he is all
powerful
Post by bob young
Post by -the HoSt-
why
Post by Bill M
did he not create communication between these different worlds?
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and
never
Post by Bill M
communicate directly with his creations?
Midwinter
2007-08-06 14:48:52 UTC
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Post by -the HoSt-
Don't take what I stated out of context please.
I am stating, "Why do you care about something you claim does not
exist?" Go about your happy life.
They're not saying they care about gods. They're saying they care about
the behaviour that certain people like to try to justify through appeal
to those gods.

The argument, I think, is essentially that as long as religious people
shut up and keep themselves to themselves, then atheists won't have to
keep telling them to shut up.
Post by -the HoSt-
You Atheists going on about how God does not exist and there is no
Heaven and Hell, blah blah blah, is about as good as me saying
elements inside the U_S coordinated the attacks in New York to make it
seem that we were attacked from without so Bush could succeed at
becoming America's first dictator (he has pretty much succeeded).
Hmmm. Not sure about that. Assuming in the first instance that we are
to limit ourselves to the principles of logic so precious to atheists,
these two propositions require opposing approaches.

The first proposition is not supported by evidence: there is nothing that
can be presented to support the claim that Heaven and Hell exist.
Therefore, if we exclude faith, there is no reason to believe in them.

On the other hand, there is no evidence for the tired and tiresome claim
that 9/11 was an inside job - so, by the same token, there is no rational
reason to believe this is the case.

Atheists claiming there is no Heaven and Hell are reasoning in a manner
consistent with their logic (which is not to say that they are
necessarily right). Arguing that the US Government planned 9/11 requires
the abandonment of such logic. The difference is that one proposition
can be supported through reason and the other cannot.
Post by -the HoSt-
If I remember correctly, Bush said he was a "born-again" Christian.
Actually he is just a wolf in the fold looking for votes. He deceived
a lot of people at the expense of the blood of Christ.
Tomayto tomahto. If Bush says he's a Christian, then Christian he is.
He's certainly not the only one whose morality seems to contradict the
teachings of Jesus as written in the Bible; and just about every sect of
Christianity argues fiercely that every other sect is false. So what
does one Christian's view of another tell non-Christians?
Post by -the HoSt-
mainly because they are not "rich and beautiful", or to put it
more simply, "American Idols".
Actually I was perfectly capable of handling the concepts of 'rich and
beautiful'. I for one don't need everything reduced to TV shows.
Midwinter
2007-07-19 22:43:26 UTC
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Post by Bill M
Although it is claimed that a God or gods created the Universe and
every thing in it, there is no objective tangible verifiable evidence
available for Gods actual existence.
Make your mind up. Is it God or gods we're talking about? Bearing in
mind that not every god is supposed to have created the universe and
everything in it.
Post by Bill M
1. No God ever speaks to over six billion sane humans on the planet.
According to CIA (and you may take their figures for what you will), the
world's religious distribution in 2004 broke down as follows:
Christian - 33.03%
Muslim - 20.12%
Hindu - 13.34%
Buddhist - 5.89%
Sikh - 0.39%
Jew - 0.23%
Other Religions - 12.61%

Non-religious - 12.03%
Atheist - 2.36%

Not sure what the difference is between 'non-religious' and 'atheist',
but no doubt someone will educate me. Even so, if my maths is right,
assuming the CIA global population figure of 6,602,224,175 is correct for
this year and the percentages remain reasonably comparable, that's
5,652,164,116 people that some sort of god or gods has or have presumably
spoken to in some sort of way - or at least who believe He/She/It
has/They have - and about 950,060,059 who have never heard a peep.

Okay, you can now argue that none of the larger figure there can *prove*
that God has spoken to them - and you're probably right, if you're
demanding your usual 'objective evidence'. But a lot of people have
heard *something* - and it makes such sweeping generalisations a little
less secure.
Post by Bill M
2. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any longer
life than any other.
Difficult to confirm or deny this, since you limit the claim to
individuals. If you were to say that religious people on average don't
live longer than atheists, or vice-versa, then you may well be right.
And individually, some atheists live longer than some religious people,
while some religious people live longer than some atheists.

Of course, then, for this to serve as 'disproof' of God, you'd have to
show that the god you're disproving SHOULD be inclined to sustain
His/Her/Its followers' lives beyond the limits of the lives of non-
believers.
Post by Bill M
3. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any healthier
or wealthier life than any other.
Ditto for the points made above.
Post by Bill M
4. Although billions of humans have died, NO demonstratively sane and
honest person ever hears from their dead spouse, mother, father,
friend or relative confirming their existence in some after life.
Ah, but now, again, your demands are tailored to preclude automatically
the possibility that anyone hearing such communication could possibly be
considered 'sane'. The implication is that anyone who does receive such
a communication, or believes they have, cannot prove themselves sane -
which of course is an entirely subjective matter. For example, though it
might gall you to admit it, religious belief would not normally be
sufficient to diagnose someone medically insane - so, by extension,
anyone not so found would *have* to be considered medically sane. In
which case, your definition of 'sane' must not correspond with that of
the medical profession, making it necessary for you to provide your own
personal, subjective definition of the term.

(I would ask you to bear in mind should you deign to reply to this that I
have no belief in any afterlife.)
Post by Bill M
5. There are no instructions available that are known to have been
written by any God. The Bibles and other claimed holy documents were
all written by other men of unknown veracity. NO originals exist so we
do not know what the originals said or how authentic the existing
copies are. Their authenticity and accuracy are highly questionable.
Indeed. The veracity and value of these texts remains a matter of faith,
and their meaning a matter of individual interpretation. Clearly you do
not believe that they have any intrinsic value, and that is fine.
However, what your own lack of belief does *not* represent is any form of
evidence that the gods referenced in these texts do not or cannot exist.
Post by Bill M
6. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any God, Heaven,
Hell, Angels or Devils actually exist.
Very true. However, it's worth noting once more your tendency to
associate the concept of 'god' with the rather more religion-specific
concepts of 'Heaven', 'Hell', 'Angels' and 'Devils'.

Again, the lack of evidence for these things is evidence of the lack of
evidence for them. It is not evidence of the non-existence of them,
except inasmuch as it furnishes the non-believer with no reason to assume
their existence. To those who believe they DO have evidence - whether or
not you choose to accept it as such - there IS reason to believe.
Post by Bill M
7. It is claimed that we do not hear from or see any of these things
because they are of another world. [Citation Needed]
... as Wikipedia would say.

Who, exactly, claims this?
Post by Bill M
Yet this supposed God created the present world.
According to those beliefs that hold that God created the world (or, in
reference to your next statement, that He is a He)... Again, it's not
very clear whether what you're talking about is 'god' as a general
concept, or 'God', as in the god of the Abramic monotheisms.
Post by Bill M
Why did he create it so different from his world?
Who says He did?
Post by Bill M
If he is all powerful why did he not create communication between these
different worlds?
Who says He didn't?

Yes: tiresome and lazy answers, for sure - but still entirely relevant
ones. You are presenting assumptions as premises for your implied (and
previously explicit) conclusions - but it's not at all clear what the
assumptions are based on.
Post by Bill M
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and
never communicate directly with his creations?
Why should any REAL god necessarily be expected to take any particular
interest in one tiny group of creations on one tiny planet around one
tiny star in one tiny galaxy in one tiny universe?
duke
2007-07-19 22:57:12 UTC
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Post by Bill M
Although it is claimed that a God or gods created the Universe and every
thing in it, there is no objective tangible verifiable evidence available
for Gods actual existence.
1. No God ever speaks to over six billion sane humans on the planet.
God speaks to many of us every day.
Post by Bill M
2. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any longer life than
any other.
Correct, but we can't quantify it.
Post by Bill M
3. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any healthier or
wealthier life than any other.
ditto
Post by Bill M
4. Although billions of humans have died, NO demonstratively sane and honest
person ever hears from their dead spouse, mother, father, friend or relative
confirming their existence in some after life.
Maybe so, maybe not...........many sane people have said otherwise.
Post by Bill M
5. There are no instructions available that are known to have been written
by any God.
He speaks to us.
Post by Bill M
The Bibles and other claimed holy documents were all written by
other men of unknown veracity.
Some were highly respected.
Post by Bill M
NO originals exist so we do not know what the
originals said or how authentic the existing copies are. Their authenticity
and accuracy are highly questionable.
We DO have some originals from the period.
Post by Bill M
6. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any God, Heaven, Hell,
Angels or Devils actually exist.
The big bang is very objective and believable..
Post by Bill M
7. It is claimed that we do not hear from or see any of these things because
they are of another world. Yet this supposed God created the present world.
Why did he create it so different from his world? If he is all powerful why
did he not create communication between these different worlds?
Where did you get this wild idea - harry potter?
Post by Bill M
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and never
communicate directly with his creations?
He did communicate with us. Many, many times. That's where we got the Bible
from.



duke, American-American
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
2007-07-20 08:15:59 UTC
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Post by Bill M
Although it is claimed that a God or gods created the Universe and every
thing in it, there is no objective tangible verifiable evidence available
for Gods actual existence.
1. No God ever speaks to over six billion sane humans on the planet.
God speaks to many of us every day.
duke, brainwashed christian moron,
that's not god speaking to you dumbass, you're just insane.

as someone else said, "Gods always only 'speak' thousand of years earier
long before anything
can be verified - convenient !".

the christian god, the muslim god, they are BOTH a TOTAL AND COMPLETE CROCK
OF CRAP
duke
2007-07-20 18:37:30 UTC
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:15:59 GMT, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"
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Post by duke
Post by Bill M
1. No God ever speaks to over six billion sane humans on the planet.
God speaks to many of us every day.
duke, brainwashed christian moron,
that's not god speaking to you dumbass, you're just insane.
No, it's God speaking to us.
Post by SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
as someone else said, "Gods always only 'speak' thousand of years earier
long before anything
can be verified - convenient !".
the christian god, the muslim god, they are BOTH a TOTAL AND COMPLETE CROCK
OF CRAP
Think about it when he tells you that you're not going upstairs.


duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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Bill M
2007-07-20 20:32:21 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Bill M
Although it is claimed that a God or gods created the Universe and every
thing in it, there is no objective tangible verifiable evidence available
for Gods actual existence.
1. No God ever speaks to over six billion sane humans on the planet.
God speaks to many of us every day.
I said 'SANE"' persons!
Post by duke
Post by Bill M
2. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any longer life than
any other.
Correct, but we can't quantify it.
Post by Bill M
3. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any healthier or
wealthier life than any other.
ditto
Post by Bill M
4. Although billions of humans have died, NO demonstratively sane and honest
person ever hears from their dead spouse, mother, father, friend or relative
confirming their existence in some after life.
Maybe so, maybe not...........many sane people have said otherwise.
Post by Bill M
5. There are no instructions available that are known to have been written
by any God.
He speaks to us.
Post by Bill M
The Bibles and other claimed holy documents were all written by
other men of unknown veracity.
Some were highly respected.
Post by Bill M
NO originals exist so we do not know what the
originals said or how authentic the existing copies are. Their
authenticity
and accuracy are highly questionable.
We DO have some originals from the period.
Post by Bill M
6. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any God, Heaven, Hell,
Angels or Devils actually exist.
The big bang is very objective and believable..
Post by Bill M
7. It is claimed that we do not hear from or see any of these things because
they are of another world. Yet this supposed God created the present world.
Why did he create it so different from his world? If he is all powerful why
did he not create communication between these different worlds?
Where did you get this wild idea - harry potter?
Post by Bill M
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and never
communicate directly with his creations?
He did communicate with us. Many, many times. That's where we got the Bible
from.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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duke
2007-07-20 22:54:44 UTC
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Post by duke
God speaks to many of us every day.
I said 'SANE"' persons!
Yep, all of God's people are sane. The insane ones don't believe he exists.

duke, American-American
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The Chief Instigator
2007-07-21 00:11:00 UTC
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God speaks to many of us every day.
I said 'SANE"' persons!
Yep, all of God's people are sane. The insane ones don't believe he exists.
Better tell that to the Moslems and Jews, since they both believe in the same
invisible sky pixie you do, Earl.
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Longfellow
2007-07-22 02:25:13 UTC
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Lord Luv a Duck! I don't know _why_ I wind up getting drawn into these
"discussions".... well, yes, I do know: Religion is the current Clear
and Present Danger to our world. That's why. So...
Post by Bill M
Although it is claimed that a God or gods created the Universe and every
thing in it, there is no objective tangible verifiable evidence available
for Gods actual existence.
Not sure why you are lumping God and gods together. Could you elaborate
on this?
Post by Bill M
1. No God ever speaks to over six billion sane humans on the planet.
2. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any longer life than
any other.
3. No person of any God belief, or no god belief, lives any healthier or
wealthier life than any other.
So far, so good.
Post by Bill M
4. Although billions of humans have died, NO demonstratively sane and honest
person ever hears from their dead spouse, mother, father, friend or relative
confirming their existence in some after life.
Non sequitor. You are assuming there is a relationship here.

Yes, yes, I know... that's religion's Big Stick: Be good little girls
and boys or I'm gonna cast you into Eternal Damnation, whatever that is.
But post mortem existence is not a necessary attribute of religion;
religion just claims it is. You don't have to add your two cents to the
weight of that deliberate illusion/myth.
Post by Bill M
5. There are no instructions available that are known to have been written
by any God. The Bibles and other claimed holy documents were all written by
other men of unknown veracity. NO originals exist so we do not know what the
originals said or how authentic the existing copies are. Their authenticity
and accuracy are highly questionable.
Oops, the last is a claim refuted by valid evidence. No "original
documents" are extant, and we can only conjecture what they may have
been, but that they were considered canonical is attested by comparison
of evidence with no conceivable connection: LXX/DSS.
Post by Bill M
6. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any God, Heaven, Hell,
Angels or Devils actually exist.
Good, at least in principle.
Post by Bill M
7. It is claimed that we do not hear from or see any of these things because
they are of another world. Yet this supposed God created the present world.
Why did he create it so different from his world? If he is all powerful why
did he not create communication between these different worlds?
Conjectural questions. Other worlds only negatively defined at best.
Post by Bill M
Why would any REAL God keep everything so mysterious and secretive and never
communicate directly with his creations?
Well, why does any entity with power do that sort of thing? How about
to avoid displaying weaknesses and vulnerabilities? Clinton lied about
his zipper for exactly that reason, albeit the man was honest enough to
declare (not just admit) that he had done so. If the guy at the top is
there because he is supported by those under him/her, he/she is always
vulnerable.

Now, the guy at the top who is where he/she is at his/her own
contrivance, with others trying to reach him, is not vulnerable thus.
Arguably, God could be one of those, especially given the explicit
absence of any defining information.

But why am I trying to reason with the discussion here? Because Lord
Luvs all Ducks? Good a reason as any, I suppose.

Nope. There is a reason: The power of religion in our modern world is
a very serious matter, and anything that can be done to undermine it (or
slap it down) is arguably fair (It's a war!). The enslaved of religion
regurgitate their rote learned dogma, obviously with no sense of
continuity with any particular reason for doing so (like a reasonably
coherent statement by the opposition?).

What is too bad is that the atheists now have their own religion, with
Dawkins, etal, replacing God/Christ/(Holy Ghost?). So the atheists are
now religionists as well, and are forced into discourse at the level we
see here.

My question is: are there any atheists out there who retain their
independence of thought? Who reject institutional 'isms' of any kind or
stripe? Who decline to become Atheists?

You should know that Lord Luvs all Ducks, and you too!!!

Longfellow
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