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Conveniently Overlooked Facts on the Middle East
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ARAB AND JEWISH
2006-06-06 21:11:22 UTC
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Conveniently Overlooked Facts on the Middle East



1. Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation in ca. 1312 B.C.E., two
thousand years before the rise of Islam.

2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a
Palestinian people in 1976, two decades after the establishment of the
modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in ca. 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion
over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land
for the past 3,300 years.

4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than
22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem
has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslin entity. Even when the
Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital,
and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Tanach, the Jewish Holy
Scriptures (O.T.). Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to
Jerusalem.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem, Muslims pray with their backs toward
Jerusalem, and face toward Mecca, their holy city.

9. Arab and Jewish Refugees. In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to
leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews;
Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. The Arabs
created their own refugee problem. The Jews did not expel the Arabs, as it
often reported in the Arab and even western press.

10. The Jewish refugees wee forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab
brutality, persecution and pogroms. They wee forced to leave the Arab
countries often with only the shirts on their backs, leaving all their other
possessions behind.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be
around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated
to be the same.

12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the
Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the
100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in
the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples'
lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no
larger than the state of New Jersey.

13. The Arab-Israeli Conflict. The Arabs are represented by 16 separate
nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation.
The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself
each time and won.

14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of
Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land,
autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with
weapons. (This is really insane: Israel actually supplied the guns and
ammunition, which since then are being used to kill Jews.)

15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews
were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslin and
Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all
faiths.

16. The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs. Of the 175 Security Council
resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were
directed against Israel.

18. The U.N. was silent while 58 synagogues were destroyed by the
Jordanians in East Jerusalem when it was captured by Jordan in the 1948 war.

19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the
ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.

20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like
policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western
Wall.

Submitted by Lim Han Young, Singapore. From Petah Tikvah magazine, Oct-Dec
2001 Vol. 19, No. 4, p. 43
St Dog the Wet
2006-06-08 04:45:07 UTC
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Conveniently Overlooked Facts on the Middle East
Since this is an active cross post, and contains errors of
significant degree, I will reply, and ask others to append
corrected information as needed -- and it is needed
Post by ARAB AND JEWISH
1. Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation in ca. 1312 B.C.E., two
thousand years before the rise of Islam.
Islam is a religion, therefore you are comparing a religion to a
nation (Modern Israel is not a theocracy)

This is mis-leading:

Fact: The Sons of Abraham by Ishmael (14) and Katurah (3) were
given lands and inheritance East of the river BEFORE the Sons of
Jacob came out of Egypt to establish Israel.
Post by ARAB AND JEWISH
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a
Palestinian people in 1976, two decades after the establishment of the
modern State of Israel.
The Modern state of Israel was founded by Zionists.
Zionism: Dr. T. Herzil, Y. L. Pinsker
"It is not a Holy Land we want, but our own land."

THE INTERNATIONAL HEBREW HERITAGE LIBRARY,
Israeli Publishing Institute, Jerusalem, Miami, FL:
International Book Corp., 1969, V. II, p. 235-37.</p>

Since the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 there has been no
Priesthood and no record kept of the descendants of Abraham, so
that after 1200 years there is no man who can prove that he is a
son of Abraham. Those who call themselves "Jews" do so on Faith,
but without proof.
Post by ARAB AND JEWISH
3. Since the Jewish conquest in ca. 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion
over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land
for the past 3,300 years.
However careful the terminology, omitting the 1200 years after
the Destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 until 1967, and the Ottoman
Empire, exposes the inaccuracy this statement -- for there was a
"presence" of other peoples, Turks, Syrians and Arabs, during the
same time period.
Post by ARAB AND JEWISH
4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than
22 years.
This is a gross error, or disinformation.
Perhaps you should clarify your use of "Arab" since in point #1
you use "Islam." Your comparison is suspect without examination
of fact.

How is it you complete omit the Ottoman Empire?
Post by ARAB AND JEWISH
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem
has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslin entity. Even when the
Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital,
and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
The Jewish Nation of Judah was destroyed in 70 CE; and Jerusalem
was not ruled again by a nation calling itself "Israel" until 1967.
Post by ARAB AND JEWISH
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Tanach, the Jewish Holy
Scriptures (O.T.). Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to
Jerusalem.
And the point of this fact is?
Post by ARAB AND JEWISH
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem, Muslims pray with their backs toward
Jerusalem, and face toward Mecca, their holy city.
And the point of this fact is?
Post by ARAB AND JEWISH
9. Arab and Jewish Refugees. In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to
leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews;
Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. The Arabs
created their own refugee problem. The Jews did not expel the Arabs, as it
often reported in the Arab and even western press.
10. The Jewish refugees wee forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab
brutality, persecution and pogroms. They wee forced to leave the Arab
countries often with only the shirts on their backs, leaving all their other
possessions behind.
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be
around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated
to be the same.
12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the
Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the
100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in
the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples'
lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no
larger than the state of New Jersey.
13. The Arab-Israeli Conflict. The Arabs are represented by 16 separate
nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation.
The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself
each time and won.
You suffer confusion, by not knowing the difference between Jew,
sons of Isaac and Jacob, and the descendants of Abraham by
Ishmael and Katurah -- from others of the area who may be of the
same religion or region but are not of the same People.
Palestinians and Persians, Egyptian and Syrian are not the same
people, even if some call them all "Arab" or some call them all
"Islamic."
Post by ARAB AND JEWISH
14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of
Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land,
autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with
weapons. (This is really insane: Israel actually supplied the guns and
ammunition, which since then are being used to kill Jews.)
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews
were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslin and
Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all
faiths.
Jews have often desecrated Christian Churches, and spit on
Christians - so they are not innocent victims.
Post by ARAB AND JEWISH
16. The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs. Of the 175 Security Council
resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were
directed against Israel.
18. The U.N. was silent while 58 synagogues were destroyed by the
Jordanians in East Jerusalem when it was captured by Jordan in the 1948 war.
19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the
ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like
policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western
Wall.
Submitted by Lim Han Young, Singapore. From Petah Tikvah magazine, Oct-Dec
2001 Vol. 19, No. 4, p. 43
Those who seek to make peace do not spread inaccurate
information. Spreading inflammatory disinformation is an act of war.


St Dog the Wet
St Dog the Wet
2006-06-09 02:13:16 UTC
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Conveniently Overlooked Facts on the Middle East
THE BIGGEST LIE
Perhaps the Grandest Lie ever presented to mankind, and God's
People, is that God is the cause, and is to be blamed for, the
Great Tribulation which the false "God" of Modern Rome will cause.

For the entire past generation, perhaps the last 80 years, the
writers, teachers and preachers of "the rapture" have been
selling this Doctrine of Devils to mankind. Embedded in and
contained in the false hope of their escape from Tribulation is
the concealment of the cause and source of the suffering the
Church is to escape.

The entire world has become aware of the false hope of
Christian's escape, and they laugh at the ridiculous visions of
cars running empty on streets while Christians are whisked into
the sky. The world laughs; but they are not so blind or ignorant
that they miss the statement that it is God who brings this
Tribulation on the world.

So the World knows Christians believe that God is the source and
causes of the Tribulation coming on the world. And who taught the
world this lie? Was it Satan? No, not as far as the world knows:
it was the Christianity.

So Satan has used God's People to tell THE BIGGEST LIE to the
entire World!

Now, while Satan laughs, and the tribulation becomes impossible
to ignore or deny, the people of the world will blame Christians
-- because, after all, the Church taught them that it is the God
of Abraham who is the cause of this Tribulation.

TRUTH LOST
During the last generation the Church has lost the opportunity to
teach her people the Truth: That Modern Rome will soon rise to
rule the World; that Satan will occupy the body prepared for him
and then proclaim himself to be "God."

During this generation the Church has lost the opportunity to
teach the World the Truth: that Satan's conquest of the world and
claiming to be "God" is the cause of Tribulation.

Because The Church has failed to recognize this Doctrine of
Devils, and has failed to teach both God's People and the people
of the world the truth, the Church will endure the Tribulation of
these Last Days.

Because these false teachers and prophets have lied and added
words to the visions of John, they have added the wrath of the
seven vials of God's Wrath to their own lives.

If you are one who has believed the lies of the 'rapture' and the
'millennial reign of Christ on this earth,' and you will not
abandon these lies, you too will receive your portion of the
vials of God's Wrath.

If you are one who has believed these lies you will also endure
the laughter and ridicule of those who hate you -- when they
discover you can not escape.


A Servant of God
His Witness
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