Discussion:
CHALLEGE TO RELIGIONIST
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Bill M
2009-11-20 11:37:12 UTC
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The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.



There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced

ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.



They are all founded on peoples imaginations on what created and controls
the Universe

and what happens after death.



There are huge volumes of objective verifiable evidence on the existence and
functions of

the Universe yet there is NO objective verifiable evidence that ANY
religions are true or that ANY Gods actually exist.



Why does ANY real God creator keep itself so secretive and mysterious???
--
Bill M
Jimbo
2009-11-21 15:22:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
They are all founded on peoples imaginations on what created and controls
the Universe
and what happens after death.
There are huge volumes of objective verifiable evidence on the existence and
functions of
the Universe yet there is NO objective verifiable evidence that ANY
religions are true or that ANY Gods actually exist.
Why does ANY real God creator keep itself so secretive and mysterious???
--
Bill M
That's pretty much par for the course where religionists are
concerned. They operate under a cloak of mysticism and anyone that
doesn't understand their super-secret mystic ways are just not '...of
the body...", so to speak. Personally, I find them no different that
I do a prancing, bead-rattling witchdoctor.
Ron Dean
2009-11-21 17:12:02 UTC
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Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
Two problems:
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their dogma
down their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
2 - Challenging religious people to produce objective verifiable
evidence of God is _ascribing_ an claim to them which they do not make,
then demanding they produce objective verifiable evidence that meets
_your_ notion of objective verifiable evidence. The point is nobody
needs your approval. So why is this your concern?
Post by Bill M
They are all founded on peoples imaginations on what created and controls
the Universe
and what happens after death.
No one knows for sure, but it's a matter of belief. Christians,for
example, believe physical death is not the end they will again be
with their loved ones in the presence of God in Heaven. Non-believers
believe that death is the grave ie oblivion; nothingness; extinction.
Both believers and non-believers alike will one day face their own
demise. If non-believers are right, then the overriding _fact_ is death
is the great equalizer. When confronting death, believers right or
wrong, face death with trust and hope. Is it false hope? It does not
matter, there is comfort in hope. And during mortal life there is
no cost.
Post by Bill M
There are huge volumes of objective verifiable evidence on the existence and
functions of
the Universe yet there is NO objective verifiable evidence that ANY
religions are true or that ANY Gods actually exist.
Why does ANY real God creator keep itself so secretive and mysterious???
Christopher A. Lee
2009-11-21 17:35:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
So?
Post by Ron Dean
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical!
You're lying again.

We don't like what Bill M does - he's as big an asshole as you are,
and as bad as the endless stream of cross-posting god-bothers we get
in the atheist newsgroups.

And in the real world he is correct, no matter how in-your-face rude
he is.

But he's only giving you whining hypocrites a taste of your own
medicine.

Because YOU are the ones who are supposed top turn the other cheek
instead of resorting to lies about atheists.

We simply expect common sense, courtesy and intelligence from theists.

Which includes not presuming that your beliefs are real, in the rest
of the world outside your religion.

At which point it is irrelevant "who started it". YOU, Ron Dean, knew
you were talking to atheists and rudely, stupidly presumed things you
knew weren't universally granted.

And YOU, Ron Dean, lied about us, to us.

At which point you got treated as the thoroughly nasty, dishonest,
paranoid liar you had just told us you were.

With paranoid lies about us to our faces, based incredible stupidity
like "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution".
Post by Ron Dean
But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their dogma
down their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
A liar as well as an idiot.
Post by Ron Dean
2 - Challenging religious people to produce objective verifiable
evidence of God is _ascribing_ an claim to them which they do not make,
then demanding they produce objective verifiable evidence that meets
_your_ notion of objective verifiable evidence. The point is nobody
needs your approval. So why is this your concern?
THEN DON'T TALK ABOUT IT AS IF IT WERE REAL TO PEOPLE YOU KNOW DON'T
SHARE THAT BELIEF.

Which word were you pretending was too hard to understand?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
They are all founded on peoples imaginations on what created and controls
the Universe
and what happens after death.
No one knows for sure, but it's a matter of belief. Christians,for
example, believe physical death is not the end they will again be
with their loved ones in the presence of God in Heaven.
Because they were brainwashed to believe that in childhood.
Post by Ron Dean
Non-believers
believe that death is the grave ie oblivion; nothingness; extinction.
No liar, we simply don't share your childhood brainwashing about that.

Why do you invent straw man beliefs we don't have, to the point of
lying about us, to us?
Post by Ron Dean
Both believers and non-believers alike will one day face their own
demise.
So?
Post by Ron Dean
If non-believers are right, then the overriding _fact_ is death
is the great equalizer.
You meant to say, "if your made up lie about atheists is right", liar.
Post by Ron Dean
When confronting death, believers right or
wrong, face death with trust and hope.
In the real world beyond your religion that's merely your deluded
fantasy UNTIL YOU DEMONSTRATE OTHERWISE.
Post by Ron Dean
Is it false hope? It does not
matter, there is comfort in hope. And during mortal life there is
no cost.
There is: it's called living in a fantasy.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
There are huge volumes of objective verifiable evidence on the existence and
functions of
the Universe yet there is NO objective verifiable evidence that ANY
religions are true or that ANY Gods actually exist.
And this only gets pointed out because stupid theists can't keep their
beliefs inside their religion.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Why does ANY real God creator keep itself so secretive and mysterious???
Ron Dean
2009-11-23 02:04:57 UTC
Permalink
I can't allow this depraved degenerant
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
So?
Post by Ron Dean
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical!
You're lying again.
What is the lie? You are a false witness. Not that it matters to you
you have no one to answer to.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
We don't like what Bill M does - he's as big an asshole as you are,
and as bad as the endless stream of cross-posting god-bothers we get
in the atheist newsgroups.
And in the real world he is correct, no matter how in-your-face rude
he is.
But he's only giving you whining hypocrites a taste of your own
medicine.
Because YOU are the ones who are supposed top turn the other cheek
instead of resorting to lies about atheists.
We simply expect common sense, courtesy and intelligence from theists.
Which includes not presuming that your beliefs are real, in the rest
of the world outside your religion.
At which point it is irrelevant "who started it". YOU, Ron Dean, knew
you were talking to atheists and rudely, stupidly presumed things you
knew weren't universally granted.
And YOU, Ron Dean, lied about us, to us.
At which point you got treated as the thoroughly nasty, dishonest,
paranoid liar you had just told us you were.
With paranoid lies about us to our faces, based incredible stupidity
like "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution".
Post by Ron Dean
But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their dogma
down their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
A liar as well as an idiot.
Post by Ron Dean
2 - Challenging religious people to produce objective verifiable
evidence of God is _ascribing_ an claim to them which they do not make,
then demanding they produce objective verifiable evidence that meets
_your_ notion of objective verifiable evidence. The point is nobody
needs your approval. So why is this your concern?
THEN DON'T TALK ABOUT IT AS IF IT WERE REAL TO PEOPLE YOU KNOW DON'T
SHARE THAT BELIEF.
Which word were you pretending was too hard to understand?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
They are all founded on peoples imaginations on what created and controls
the Universe
and what happens after death.
No one knows for sure, but it's a matter of belief. Christians,for
example, believe physical death is not the end they will again be
with their loved ones in the presence of God in Heaven.
Because they were brainwashed to believe that in childhood.
Post by Ron Dean
Non-believers
believe that death is the grave ie oblivion; nothingness; extinction.
No liar, we simply don't share your childhood brainwashing about that.
Why do you invent straw man beliefs we don't have, to the point of
lying about us, to us?
Post by Ron Dean
Both believers and non-believers alike will one day face their own
demise.
So?
Post by Ron Dean
If non-believers are right, then the overriding _fact_ is death
is the great equalizer.
You meant to say, "if your made up lie about atheists is right", liar.
Post by Ron Dean
When confronting death, believers right or
wrong, face death with trust and hope.
In the real world beyond your religion that's merely your deluded
fantasy UNTIL YOU DEMONSTRATE OTHERWISE.
Post by Ron Dean
Is it false hope? It does not
matter, there is comfort in hope. And during mortal life there is
no cost.
There is: it's called living in a fantasy.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
There are huge volumes of objective verifiable evidence on the existence and
functions of
the Universe yet there is NO objective verifiable evidence that ANY
religions are true or that ANY Gods actually exist.
And this only gets pointed out because stupid theists can't keep their
beliefs inside their religion.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Why does ANY real God creator keep itself so secretive and mysterious???
Christopher A. Lee
2009-11-23 02:12:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron Dean
I can't allow this depraved degenerant
What "depraved degenerate" are you lying about, pig-ignorant
sociopath?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
So?
Post by Ron Dean
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical!
You're lying again.
In your case we have been responding to the paranoid lies you posted
about atheists.
Post by Ron Dean
What is the lie? You are a false witness. Not that it matters to you
you have no one to answer to.
More of Dean's lies.

Here's a clue: WE ANSWER TO THOSE AROUND US, NOT YOUR PRETEND FRIEND.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
We don't like what Bill M does - he's as big an asshole as you are,
and as bad as the endless stream of cross-posting god-bothers we get
in the atheist newsgroups.
And in the real world he is correct, no matter how in-your-face rude
he is.
But he's only giving you whining hypocrites a taste of your own
medicine.
Because YOU are the ones who are supposed top turn the other cheek
instead of resorting to lies about atheists.
We simply expect common sense, courtesy and intelligence from theists.
Which includes not presuming that your beliefs are real, in the rest
of the world outside your religion.
At which point it is irrelevant "who started it". YOU, Ron Dean, knew
you were talking to atheists and rudely, stupidly presumed things you
knew weren't universally granted.
And YOU, Ron Dean, lied about us, to us.
At which point you got treated as the thoroughly nasty, dishonest,
paranoid liar you had just told us you were.
With paranoid lies about us to our faces, based incredible stupidity
like "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution".
Well, moron?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their dogma
down their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
A liar as well as an idiot.
Post by Ron Dean
2 - Challenging religious people to produce objective verifiable
evidence of God is _ascribing_ an claim to them which they do not make,
then demanding they produce objective verifiable evidence that meets
_your_ notion of objective verifiable evidence. The point is nobody
needs your approval. So why is this your concern?
THEN DON'T TALK ABOUT IT AS IF IT WERE REAL TO PEOPLE YOU KNOW DON'T
SHARE THAT BELIEF.
Well, moron?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Which word were you pretending was too hard to understand?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
They are all founded on peoples imaginations on what created and controls
the Universe
and what happens after death.
No one knows for sure, but it's a matter of belief. Christians,for
example, believe physical death is not the end they will again be
with their loved ones in the presence of God in Heaven.
Because they were brainwashed to believe that in childhood.
Post by Ron Dean
Non-believers
believe that death is the grave ie oblivion; nothingness; extinction.
No liar, we simply don't share your childhood brainwashing about that.
Well, liar?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Why do you invent straw man beliefs we don't have, to the point of
lying about us, to us?
Well?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Both believers and non-believers alike will one day face their own
demise.
So?
Post by Ron Dean
If non-believers are right, then the overriding _fact_ is death
is the great equalizer.
You meant to say, "if your made up lie about atheists is right", liar.
Well?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
When confronting death, believers right or
wrong, face death with trust and hope.
In the real world beyond your religion that's merely your deluded
fantasy UNTIL YOU DEMONSTRATE OTHERWISE.
Which word didn't you understand?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Is it false hope? It does not
matter, there is comfort in hope. And during mortal life there is
no cost.
There is: it's called living in a fantasy.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
There are huge volumes of objective verifiable evidence on the existence and
functions of
the Universe yet there is NO objective verifiable evidence that ANY
religions are true or that ANY Gods actually exist.
And this only gets pointed out because stupid theists can't keep their
beliefs inside their religion.
Well?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Why does ANY real God creator keep itself so secretive and mysterious???
Ron Dean
2009-11-23 02:58:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
I can't allow this depraved degenerant
I am sorry, this accidently got sent.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
What "depraved degenerate" are you lying about, pig-ignorant
sociopath?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
So?
Post by Ron Dean
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical!
You're lying again.
In your case we have been responding to the paranoid lies you posted
about atheists.
Post by Ron Dean
What is the lie? You are a false witness. Not that it matters to you
you have no one to answer to.
More of Dean's lies.
Here's a clue: WE ANSWER TO THOSE AROUND US, NOT YOUR PRETEND FRIEND.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
We don't like what Bill M does - he's as big an asshole as you are,
and as bad as the endless stream of cross-posting god-bothers we get
in the atheist newsgroups.
And in the real world he is correct, no matter how in-your-face rude
he is.
But he's only giving you whining hypocrites a taste of your own
medicine.
Because YOU are the ones who are supposed top turn the other cheek
instead of resorting to lies about atheists.
We simply expect common sense, courtesy and intelligence from theists.
Which includes not presuming that your beliefs are real, in the rest
of the world outside your religion.
At which point it is irrelevant "who started it". YOU, Ron Dean, knew
you were talking to atheists and rudely, stupidly presumed things you
knew weren't universally granted.
And YOU, Ron Dean, lied about us, to us.
At which point you got treated as the thoroughly nasty, dishonest,
paranoid liar you had just told us you were.
With paranoid lies about us to our faces, based incredible stupidity
like "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution".
Well, moron?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their dogma
down their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
A liar as well as an idiot.
Post by Ron Dean
2 - Challenging religious people to produce objective verifiable
evidence of God is _ascribing_ an claim to them which they do not make,
then demanding they produce objective verifiable evidence that meets
_your_ notion of objective verifiable evidence. The point is nobody
needs your approval. So why is this your concern?
THEN DON'T TALK ABOUT IT AS IF IT WERE REAL TO PEOPLE YOU KNOW DON'T
SHARE THAT BELIEF.
Well, moron?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Which word were you pretending was too hard to understand?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
They are all founded on peoples imaginations on what created and controls
the Universe
and what happens after death.
No one knows for sure, but it's a matter of belief. Christians,for
example, believe physical death is not the end they will again be
with their loved ones in the presence of God in Heaven.
Because they were brainwashed to believe that in childhood.
Post by Ron Dean
Non-believers
believe that death is the grave ie oblivion; nothingness; extinction.
No liar, we simply don't share your childhood brainwashing about that.
Well, liar?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Why do you invent straw man beliefs we don't have, to the point of
lying about us, to us?
Well?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Both believers and non-believers alike will one day face their own
demise.
So?
Post by Ron Dean
If non-believers are right, then the overriding _fact_ is death
is the great equalizer.
You meant to say, "if your made up lie about atheists is right", liar.
Well?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
When confronting death, believers right or
wrong, face death with trust and hope.
In the real world beyond your religion that's merely your deluded
fantasy UNTIL YOU DEMONSTRATE OTHERWISE.
Which word didn't you understand?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Is it false hope? It does not
matter, there is comfort in hope. And during mortal life there is
no cost.
There is: it's called living in a fantasy.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
There are huge volumes of objective verifiable evidence on the existence and
functions of
the Universe yet there is NO objective verifiable evidence that ANY
religions are true or that ANY Gods actually exist.
And this only gets pointed out because stupid theists can't keep their
beliefs inside their religion.
Well?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Why does ANY real God creator keep itself so secretive and mysterious???
Ron Dean
2009-11-23 02:57:31 UTC
Permalink
I can't allow this depraved degenerant to post such utter nonsense without
challenging him.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has
ever produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
So?
Post by Ron Dean
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical!
You're lying again.
False charges if lying are easy to make, proving them is harder, which
is why Chris doesn't even try. He knows he cannot. Just the accusation
is all he is capable of. Bill M cross-posted to religious NGs.
So, it is hpocritical to complain when theist also cross post.

What is the lie? You are a false witness. Not that it matters to you
you have no one to answer to.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
We don't like what Bill M does - he's as big an asshole as you are,
and as bad as the endless stream of cross-posting god-bothers we get
in the atheist newsgroups.
And in the real world he is correct, no matter how in-your-face rude
he is.
But he's only giving you whining hypocrites a taste of your own
medicine.
Because YOU are the ones who are supposed top turn the other cheek
instead of resorting to lies about atheists.
After turning the other cheek, and you slap that, there is no other
cheek. Then is time to defend oneself.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
We simply expect common sense, courtesy and intelligence from theists.
You get what you give.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Which includes not presuming that your beliefs are real, in the rest
of the world outside your religion.
In the United States, the overwhelming majority are Christian,
so they are within my religion.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
At which point it is irrelevant "who started it". YOU, Ron Dean, knew
you were talking to atheists and rudely, stupidly presumed things you
knew weren't universally granted.
Such as??
Post by Christopher A. Lee
And YOU, Ron Dean, lied about us, to us.
Examples please_________.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
At which point you got treated as the thoroughly nasty, dishonest,
paranoid liar you had just told us you were.
With paranoid lies about us to our faces, based incredible stupidity
like "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution".
I did not define who the anti-Christ is. But there an old saying: "it's
the stuck pig that squeals". Of course, who in his right mind would
want to be identified with the anti-Christ? So, I don't blame anyone
who would take issue.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their dogma
down their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
A liar as well as an idiot.
Why else would Bill M. be challenging religious people?
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
2 - Challenging religious people to produce objective verifiable
evidence of God is _ascribing_ an claim to them which they do not make,
then demanding they produce objective verifiable evidence that meets
_your_ notion of objective verifiable evidence. The point is nobody
needs your approval. So why is this your concern?
THEN DON'T TALK ABOUT IT AS IF IT WERE REAL TO PEOPLE YOU KNOW DON'T
SHARE THAT BELIEF.
Are you dense, I have pointed out that religion is a matter of faith,
and belief, It cannot be proven with hard empirical evidence.
And no one gives a damn your beliefs.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Which word were you pretending was too hard to understand?
Ask yourself this question: why do you think I care about you
or your beliefs or lack thereof?
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
They are all founded on peoples imaginations on what created and
controls the Universe
and what happens after death.
No one knows for sure, but it's a matter of belief. Christians,for
example, believe physical death is not the end they will again be
with their loved ones in the presence of God in Heaven.
Because they were brainwashed to believe that in childhood.
Ok, you do not believe it. Fine. But their beliefs after burying
a mother or father is a great comfort. Something you don't understand.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Non-believers
believe that death is the grave ie oblivion; nothingness; extinction.
No liar, we simply don't share your childhood brainwashing about that.
Ok what do you believe, if not, oblivion, nothingness extinction?
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Why do you invent straw man beliefs we don't have, to the point of
lying about us, to us?
Such as?
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Both believers and non-believers alike will one day face their own
demise.
So?
Post by Ron Dean
If non-believers are right, then the overriding _fact_ is
death is the great equalizer.
You meant to say, "if your made up lie about atheists is right", liar.
Post by Ron Dean
When confronting death, believers right or
wrong, face death with trust and hope.
In the real world beyond your religion that's merely your deluded
fantasy UNTIL YOU DEMONSTRATE OTHERWISE.
Post by Ron Dean
Is it false hope? It does not
matter, there is comfort in hope. And during mortal life there is
no cost.
There is: it's called living in a fantasy.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
There are huge volumes of objective verifiable evidence on the
existence and functions of
the Universe yet there is NO objective verifiable evidence that ANY
religions are true or that ANY Gods actually exist.
And this only gets pointed out because stupid theists can't keep their
beliefs inside their religion.
No Religion would have you. So you have nothing to worry about.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Why does ANY real God creator keep itself so secretive and
mysterious???
thomas p.
2009-11-21 19:27:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their dogma down
their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
2 - Challenging religious people to produce objective verifiable
evidence of God is _ascribing_ an claim to them which they do not make,
then demanding they produce objective verifiable evidence that meets
_your_ notion of objective verifiable evidence. The point is nobody
needs your approval. So why is this your concern?
In other words you are unable to refute the point made.


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Jimbo
2009-11-22 05:18:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
 >
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges.
And the complaints don't even slow them down.
Bill M
2009-11-23 10:39:03 UTC
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Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their dogma down
their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
Apparently you can't read perceptively. I merely stated facts - not
hypocracy.

Do you have any objective verifiable facts to support your religion???
Post by Ron Dean
2 - Challenging religious people to produce objective verifiable
evidence of God is _ascribing_ an claim to them which they do not make,
then demanding they produce objective verifiable evidence that meets
_your_ notion of objective verifiable evidence. The point is nobody
needs your approval. So why is this your concern?
I merely state facts. Your meandering nonsense only tells us you have no
basis for your claimed beliefs!
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
They are all founded on peoples imaginations on what created and controls
the Universe
and what happens after death.
No one knows for sure, but it's a matter of belief. Christians,for
example, believe physical death is not the end they will again be
with their loved ones in the presence of God in Heaven. Non-believers
believe that death is the grave ie oblivion; nothingness; extinction.
Both believers and non-believers alike will one day face their own
demise. If non-believers are right, then the overriding _fact_ is death is
the great equalizer. When confronting death, believers right or
wrong, face death with trust and hope. Is it false hope? It does not
matter, there is comfort in hope. And during mortal life there is
no cost.
Attending and participating in relifious serives including contributions is
quite costly.
Where is your evidence there is NO cost???
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
There are huge volumes of objective verifiable evidence on the existence
and functions of
the Universe yet there is NO objective verifiable evidence that ANY
religions are true or that ANY Gods actually exist.
Why does ANY real God creator keep itself so secretive and mysterious???
Dan Listermann
2009-11-23 16:19:30 UTC
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Post by Bill M
Do you have any objective verifiable facts to support your religion???
Post by Ron Dean
2 - Challenging religious people to produce objective verifiable
evidence of God is _ascribing_ an claim to them which they do not make,
then demanding they produce objective verifiable evidence that meets
_your_ notion of objective verifiable evidence. The point is nobody
needs your approval. So why is this your concern?
I merely state facts. Your meandering nonsense only tells us you have no
basis for your claimed beliefs!
And it is this basis that the celebrate and reward called "faith." I call
it gullibility toward superstition, but it will get you brownie points among
some.
Ron Dean
2009-11-23 18:32:51 UTC
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Post by Bill M
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their dogma down
their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
Apparently you can't read perceptively. I merely stated facts - not
hypocracy.
Do you have any objective verifiable facts to support your religion???
No, there isn't any proof which to support faith. If there were, it
would not be faith: it is upon faith that all religions including
Christianity are based. The absence of objective verifiable
facts does not falsify religion.
Post by Bill M
Post by Ron Dean
2 - Challenging religious people to produce objective verifiable
evidence of God is _ascribing_ an claim to them which they do not make,
then demanding they produce objective verifiable evidence that meets
_your_ notion of objective verifiable evidence. The point is nobody
needs your approval. So why is this your concern?
I merely state facts. Your meandering nonsense only tells us you have no
basis for your claimed beliefs!
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
They are all founded on peoples imaginations on what created and controls
the Universe
and what happens after death.
No one knows for sure, but it's a matter of belief. Christians,for
example, believe physical death is not the end they will again be
with their loved ones in the presence of God in Heaven. Non-believers
believe that death is the grave ie oblivion; nothingness; extinction.
No opinion?
Post by Bill M
Post by Ron Dean
Both believers and non-believers alike will one day face their own
demise. If non-believers are right, then the overriding _fact_ is death is
the great equalizer. When confronting death, believers right or
wrong, face death with trust and hope. Is it false hope? It does not
matter, there is comfort in hope. And during mortal life there is
no cost.
Did you not read what I wrote about believers confronting death? It's a
major point in the benefits of belief. I understand since this is not
for you.
Post by Bill M
Attending and participating in relifious serives including contributions is
quite costly.
Oh, so is this the root cause of your anti- religious attitude? If so,
then you are right, there is something of a financial cost, but this is
not a "tax" requirement, this is the purview of the US government.
Christians Churches operate on free will gifts and offerings? One gives
to the church only that which one wishes to give. There is no
requirement. I personally see this as a privilege not cost. I see it as
a privilege to support something that gives me so much in return.
Post by Bill M
Where is your evidence there is NO cost???
Of course, I was not speaking in terms of financial cost, but rather
emotional cost. The emotional benefits far outweigh the emotional
cost.
Post by Bill M
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
There are huge volumes of objective verifiable evidence on the existence
and functions of
the Universe yet there is NO objective verifiable evidence that ANY
religions are true or that ANY Gods actually exist.
Why does ANY real God creator keep itself so secretive and mysterious???
Christopher A. Lee
2009-11-23 18:59:24 UTC
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Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their dogma down
their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
Apparently you can't read perceptively. I merely stated facts - not
hypocracy.
Do you have any objective verifiable facts to support your religion???
No, there isn't any proof which to support faith. If there were, it
would not be faith: it is upon faith that all religions including
Christianity are based. The absence of objective verifiable
facts does not falsify religion.
And there is nothing to support it other than faith which is a
worthless excuse.

But nobody would give a flying fuck about it if...

- believers had the sense to keep it to themselves instead of assuming
their faith should apply to everybody else, at which pointg it becomes
PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Stop being so dishonest.

- believers didn't lie about those who don't share their beliefs and
demand they either put up or shut up. Stop being so dishonest.
Ron Dean
2009-11-23 20:14:36 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their dogma down
their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
Apparently you can't read perceptively. I merely stated facts - not
hypocracy.
Do you have any objective verifiable facts to support your religion???
No, there isn't any proof which to support faith. If there were, it
would not be faith: it is upon faith that all religions including
Christianity are based. The absence of objective verifiable
facts does not falsify religion.
And there is nothing to support it other than faith which is a
worthless excuse.
Well, that's your own self-satisfying opinion. Which is important only
to you.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
But nobody would give a flying fuck about it if...
- believers had the sense to keep it to themselves instead of assuming
their faith should apply to everybody else, at which pointg it becomes
PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Stop being so dishonest.
I've been defensive, never have I tried to "make a Christian of you".
So, stop being such an self-serving egoistical maniac.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
- believers didn't lie about those who don't share their beliefs and
demand they either put up or shut up. Stop being so dishonest.
Dishonesty is pretending to be persecuted while attacking those who
disagree with you. I for one could not care less for you personally or
your worthless self-serving opinions.
Christopher A. Lee
2009-11-23 22:22:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their dogma down
their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
Apparently you can't read perceptively. I merely stated facts - not
hypocracy.
Do you have any objective verifiable facts to support your religion???
No, there isn't any proof which to support faith. If there were, it
would not be faith: it is upon faith that all religions including
Christianity are based. The absence of objective verifiable
facts does not falsify religion.
And there is nothing to support it other than faith which is a
worthless excuse.
Well, that's your own self-satisfying opinion. Which is important only
to you.
Nno, liar. It's a fact.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
But nobody would give a flying fuck about it if...
- believers had the sense to keep it to themselves instead of assuming
their faith should apply to everybody else, at which pointg it becomes
PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Stop being so dishonest.
I've been defensive, never have I tried to "make a Christian of you".
So, stop being such an self-serving egoistical maniac.
Stop being such a dishonest, whining, lying hypocrite.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
- believers didn't lie about those who don't share their beliefs and
demand they either put up or shut up. Stop being so dishonest.
Was it some other paranoid liar also called Ron Dean who accused
atheistsof "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution"?
Post by Ron Dean
Dishonesty is pretending to be persecuted while attacking those who
disagree with you. I for one could not care less for you personally or
your worthless self-serving opinions.
Of which you gave a perfect example when you accused atheists of
persecuting Christians, hypocrite.

You care enough about us to lie about us to our faces.
Ron Dean
2009-11-23 23:12:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their dogma down
their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
Apparently you can't read perceptively. I merely stated facts - not
hypocracy.
Do you have any objective verifiable facts to support your religion???
No, there isn't any proof which to support faith. If there were, it
would not be faith: it is upon faith that all religions including
Christianity are based. The absence of objective verifiable
facts does not falsify religion.
And there is nothing to support it other than faith which is a
worthless excuse.
Well, that's your own self-satisfying opinion. Which is important only
to you.
Nno, liar. It's a fact.
Prove it.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
But nobody would give a flying fuck about it if...
- believers had the sense to keep it to themselves instead of assuming
their faith should apply to everybody else, at which pointg it becomes
PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Stop being so dishonest.
I've been defensive, never have I tried to "make a Christian of you".
So, stop being such an self-serving egoistical maniac.
Stop being such a dishonest, whining, lying hypocrite.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
- believers didn't lie about those who don't share their beliefs and
demand they either put up or shut up. Stop being so dishonest.
Was it some other paranoid liar also called Ron Dean who accused
atheists of "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution"?
I suppose you've never heard of the Communist Party or the Old Soviet
Union. The party leaders were atheist and they persecuted all religions
including Christians.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Dishonesty is pretending to be persecuted while attacking those who
disagree with you. I for one could not care less for you personally or
your worthless self-serving opinions.
Of which you gave a perfect example when you accused atheists of
persecuting Christians, hypocrite.
In the US atheist don't have the power, but when they gain the
power they do so. This is a fact!
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You care enough about us to lie about us to our faces.
Ron Dean
2009-11-24 00:01:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their dogma down
their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
Apparently you can't read perceptively. I merely stated facts - not
hypocracy.
Do you have any objective verifiable facts to support your religion???
No, there isn't any proof which to support faith. If there were, it
would not be faith: it is upon faith that all religions including
Christianity are based. The absence of objective verifiable
facts does not falsify religion.
And there is nothing to support it other than faith which is a
worthless excuse.
Well, that's your own self-satisfying opinion. Which is important only
to you.
Nno, liar. It's a fact.
Prove it!
I thought you had wised up. Personal attacks are a definite indication
of forfeiture of the debate.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
But nobody would give a flying fuck about it if...
- believers had the sense to keep it to themselves instead of assuming
their faith should apply to everybody else, at which pointg it becomes
PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Stop being so dishonest.
I've been defensive, never have I tried to "make a Christian of you".
So, stop being such an self-serving egoistical maniac.
Stop being such a dishonest, whining, lying hypocrite.
Ok, prove where I tried to convert you. You can't. So, stop being a
false witness. In any situation a false witness is disqualified from
further deliberations.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
- believers didn't lie about those who don't share their beliefs and
demand they either put up or shut up. Stop being so dishonest.
Was it some other paranoid liar also called Ron Dean who accused
atheists of "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution"?
Re-read the post. I did not identify the anti-Christ movement. However,
it's the stuck pig that squeals.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Dishonesty is pretending to be persecuted while attacking those who
disagree with you. I for one could not care less for you personally or
your worthless self-serving opinions.
Of which you gave a perfect example when you accused atheists of
persecuting Christians, hypocrite.
Not in the U.S. they don't have the power to persecute anyone, but
in the Old Soviet Union,Communist China, Cuba where they had the power:
they did persecute Christians.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You care enough about us to lie about us to our faces.
Prove it!
thomas p.
2009-11-24 06:42:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has
ever produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about
religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their
dogma down their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the
contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
Apparently you can't read perceptively. I merely stated facts - not
hypocracy.
Do you have any objective verifiable facts to support your religion???
No, there isn't any proof which to support faith. If there were, it
would not be faith: it is upon faith that all religions including
Christianity are based. The absence of objective verifiable
facts does not falsify religion.
And there is nothing to support it other than faith which is a
worthless excuse.
Well, that's your own self-satisfying opinion. Which is important only
to you.
Nno, liar. It's a fact.
Prove it!
I thought you had wised up. Personal attacks are a definite indication
of forfeiture of the debate.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
But nobody would give a flying fuck about it if...
- believers had the sense to keep it to themselves instead of assuming
their faith should apply to everybody else, at which pointg it becomes
PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Stop being so dishonest.
I've been defensive, never have I tried to "make a Christian of you".
So, stop being such an self-serving egoistical maniac.
Stop being such a dishonest, whining, lying hypocrite.
Ok, prove where I tried to convert you. You can't. So, stop being a
false witness. In any situation a false witness is disqualified from
further deliberations.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
- believers didn't lie about those who don't share their beliefs and
demand they either put up or shut up. Stop being so dishonest.
Was it some other paranoid liar also called Ron Dean who accused
atheists of "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution"?
Re-read the post. I did not identify the anti-Christ movement. However,
it's the stuck pig that squeals.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Dishonesty is pretending to be persecuted while attacking those who
disagree with you. I for one could not care less for you personally or
your worthless self-serving opinions.
Of which you gave a perfect example when you accused atheists of
persecuting Christians, hypocrite.
Not in the U.S. they don't have the power to persecute anyone, but
they did persecute Christians.
Totalitarians, many of whom were atheists, persecuted Christians. Many of
them also
were and are theists. There is nothing in atheism that motivates
persecution, nor do I know
any atheists who support such a thing. I realize, of course, that you are
not interested in
the truth of the matter only in throwing out insults.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You care enough about us to lie about us to our faces.
Prove it!
You made the charge. Are you saying that you, just like the old Communists,
think
people are guilty until proven innocent? Not surprising, since you support
a
totalitarian concept.
Ron Dean
2009-11-24 16:34:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by thomas p.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has
ever produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some atheist
complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove their
dogma down their throats, yet look at this thread - it's quite the
contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
Apparently you can't read perceptively. I merely stated facts - not
hypocracy.
Do you have any objective verifiable facts to support your religion???
No, there isn't any proof which to support faith. If there were, it
would not be faith: it is upon faith that all religions including
Christianity are based. The absence of objective verifiable
facts does not falsify religion.
And there is nothing to support it other than faith which is a
worthless excuse.
Well, that's your own self-satisfying opinion. Which is important only
to you.
Nno, liar. It's a fact.
Prove it!
I thought you had wised up. Personal attacks are a definite indication
of forfeiture of the debate.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
But nobody would give a flying fuck about it if...
- believers had the sense to keep it to themselves instead of assuming
their faith should apply to everybody else, at which pointg it becomes
PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Stop being so dishonest.
I've been defensive, never have I tried to "make a Christian of you".
So, stop being such an self-serving egoistical maniac.
Stop being such a dishonest, whining, lying hypocrite.
Ok, prove where I tried to convert you. You can't. So, stop being a
false witness. In any situation a false witness is disqualified from
further deliberations.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
- believers didn't lie about those who don't share their beliefs and
demand they either put up or shut up. Stop being so dishonest.
Was it some other paranoid liar also called Ron Dean who accused
atheists of "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution"?
Re-read the post. I did not identify the anti-Christ movement. However,
it's the stuck pig that squeals.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Dishonesty is pretending to be persecuted while attacking those who
disagree with you. I for one could not care less for you personally or
your worthless self-serving opinions.
Of which you gave a perfect example when you accused atheists of
persecuting Christians, hypocrite.
Not in the U.S. they don't have the power to persecute anyone, but
they did persecute Christians.
Totalitarians, many of whom were atheists, persecuted Christians. Many of
them also
were and are theists. There is nothing in atheism that motivates
persecution, nor do I know
any atheists who support such a thing. I realize, of course, that you are
not interested in
the truth of the matter only in throwing out insults.
What insults have I thrown out? You agreed that some atheist (the ones I
named) did in fact persecute Christians. Also you are right some theist
also persecute christians.
Post by thomas p.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You care enough about us to lie about us to our faces.
Prove it!
You made the charge. Are you saying that you, just like the old Communists,
think
people are guilty until proven innocent? Not surprising, since you support
a
totalitarian concept.
Ron Dean
2009-11-24 16:46:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by thomas p.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one
has ever produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some
atheist complain loudly about religious people of trying to
shove their dogma down their throats, yet look at this thread -
it's quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
Apparently you can't read perceptively. I merely stated facts -
not hypocracy.
Do you have any objective verifiable facts to support your religion???
No, there isn't any proof which to support faith. If there were,
it would not be faith: it is upon faith that all religions
including Christianity are based. The absence of objective
verifiable
facts does not falsify religion.
And there is nothing to support it other than faith which is a
worthless excuse.
Well, that's your own self-satisfying opinion. Which is important only
to you.
Nno, liar. It's a fact.
Prove it!
I thought you had wised up. Personal attacks are a definite indication
of forfeiture of the debate.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
But nobody would give a flying fuck about it if...
- believers had the sense to keep it to themselves instead of assuming
their faith should apply to everybody else, at which pointg it becomes
PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Stop being so dishonest.
I've been defensive, never have I tried to "make a Christian of you".
So, stop being such an self-serving egoistical maniac.
Stop being such a dishonest, whining, lying hypocrite.
Ok, prove where I tried to convert you. You can't. So, stop being a
false witness. In any situation a false witness is disqualified from
further deliberations.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
- believers didn't lie about those who don't share their beliefs and
demand they either put up or shut up. Stop being so dishonest.
Was it some other paranoid liar also called Ron Dean who accused
atheists of "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution"?
Re-read the post. I did not identify the anti-Christ movement.
However, it's the stuck pig that squeals.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Dishonesty is pretending to be persecuted while attacking those who
disagree with you. I for one could not care less for you personally
or your worthless self-serving opinions.
Of which you gave a perfect example when you accused atheists of
persecuting Christians, hypocrite.
Not in the U.S. they don't have the power to persecute anyone, but
in the Old Soviet Union,Communist China, Cuba where they had the
power: they did persecute Christians.
Totalitarians, many of whom were atheists, persecuted Christians.
Many of them also
were and are theists. There is nothing in atheism that motivates
persecution, nor do I know
any atheists who support such a thing. I realize, of course, that you
are not interested in
the truth of the matter only in throwing out insults.
What insults have I thrown out? You agreed that some atheist (the ones I
named) did in fact persecute Christians. Also you are right some theist
also persecute Christians.
Post by thomas p.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You care enough about us to lie about us to our faces.
Prove it!
You made the charge. Are you saying that you, just like the old
Communists, think
people are guilty until proven innocent? Not surprising, since you
support a
totalitarian concept.
You mentioned insults, this is an unconscionable insult to me. I have
fought against a totalitarian nation in the 1970s and was seriously
wounded. Here I am complaining to you and defending organizations that
are standing against forces that would enslave us all.
thomas p.
2009-11-24 19:22:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron Dean
Post by thomas p.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one
has ever produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some
atheist complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove
their dogma down their throats, yet look at this thread - it's
quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
Apparently you can't read perceptively. I merely stated facts - not
hypocracy.
Do you have any objective verifiable facts to support your religion???
No, there isn't any proof which to support faith. If there were, it
would not be faith: it is upon faith that all religions including
Christianity are based. The absence of objective verifiable
facts does not falsify religion.
And there is nothing to support it other than faith which is a
worthless excuse.
Well, that's your own self-satisfying opinion. Which is important only
to you.
Nno, liar. It's a fact.
Prove it!
I thought you had wised up. Personal attacks are a definite indication
of forfeiture of the debate.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
But nobody would give a flying fuck about it if...
- believers had the sense to keep it to themselves instead of assuming
their faith should apply to everybody else, at which pointg it becomes
PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Stop being so dishonest.
I've been defensive, never have I tried to "make a Christian of you".
So, stop being such an self-serving egoistical maniac.
Stop being such a dishonest, whining, lying hypocrite.
Ok, prove where I tried to convert you. You can't. So, stop being a
false witness. In any situation a false witness is disqualified from
further deliberations.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
- believers didn't lie about those who don't share their beliefs and
demand they either put up or shut up. Stop being so dishonest.
Was it some other paranoid liar also called Ron Dean who accused
atheists of "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution"?
Re-read the post. I did not identify the anti-Christ movement. However,
it's the stuck pig that squeals.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Dishonesty is pretending to be persecuted while attacking those who
disagree with you. I for one could not care less for you personally or
your worthless self-serving opinions.
Of which you gave a perfect example when you accused atheists of
persecuting Christians, hypocrite.
Not in the U.S. they don't have the power to persecute anyone, but
they did persecute Christians.
Totalitarians, many of whom were atheists, persecuted Christians. Many
of them also
were and are theists. There is nothing in atheism that motivates
persecution, nor do I know
any atheists who support such a thing. I realize, of course, that you
are not interested in
the truth of the matter only in throwing out insults.
What insults have I thrown out? You agreed that some atheist (the ones I
named) did in fact persecute Christians. Also you are right some theist
also persecute Christians.
Post by thomas p.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You care enough about us to lie about us to our faces.
Prove it!
You made the charge. Are you saying that you, just like the old
Communists, think
people are guilty until proven innocent? Not surprising, since you
support a
totalitarian concept.
You mentioned insults, this is an unconscionable insult to me. I have
fought against a totalitarian nation in the 1970s and was seriously
wounded. Here I am complaining to you and defending organizations that are
standing against forces that would enslave us all.
And yet you demand that a person prove his innocence. I think you are a
first class liar and hypocrite, i.e. a fundy.
Ron Dean
2009-11-24 22:09:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by thomas p.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by thomas p.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one
has ever produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some
atheist complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove
their dogma down their throats, yet look at this thread - it's
quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
Apparently you can't read perceptively. I merely stated facts - not
hypocracy.
Do you have any objective verifiable facts to support your religion???
No, there isn't any proof which to support faith. If there were, it
would not be faith: it is upon faith that all religions including
Christianity are based. The absence of objective verifiable
facts does not falsify religion.
And there is nothing to support it other than faith which is a
worthless excuse.
Well, that's your own self-satisfying opinion. Which is important only
to you.
Nno, liar. It's a fact.
Prove it!
I thought you had wised up. Personal attacks are a definite indication
of forfeiture of the debate.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
But nobody would give a flying fuck about it if...
- believers had the sense to keep it to themselves instead of assuming
their faith should apply to everybody else, at which pointg it becomes
PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Stop being so dishonest.
I've been defensive, never have I tried to "make a Christian of you".
So, stop being such an self-serving egoistical maniac.
Stop being such a dishonest, whining, lying hypocrite.
Ok, prove where I tried to convert you. You can't. So, stop being a
false witness. In any situation a false witness is disqualified from
further deliberations.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
- believers didn't lie about those who don't share their beliefs and
demand they either put up or shut up. Stop being so dishonest.
Was it some other paranoid liar also called Ron Dean who accused
atheists of "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution"?
Re-read the post. I did not identify the anti-Christ movement. However,
it's the stuck pig that squeals.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Dishonesty is pretending to be persecuted while attacking those who
disagree with you. I for one could not care less for you personally or
your worthless self-serving opinions.
Of which you gave a perfect example when you accused atheists of
persecuting Christians, hypocrite.
Not in the U.S. they don't have the power to persecute anyone, but
they did persecute Christians.
Totalitarians, many of whom were atheists, persecuted Christians. Many
of them also
were and are theists. There is nothing in atheism that motivates
persecution, nor do I know
any atheists who support such a thing. I realize, of course, that you
are not interested in
the truth of the matter only in throwing out insults.
What insults have I thrown out? You agreed that some atheist (the ones I
named) did in fact persecute Christians. Also you are right some theist
also persecute Christians.
Post by thomas p.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You care enough about us to lie about us to our faces.
Prove it!
You made the charge. Are you saying that you, just like the old
Communists, think
people are guilty until proven innocent? Not surprising, since you
support a
totalitarian concept.
You mentioned insults, this is an unconscionable insult to me. I have
fought against a totalitarian nation in the 1970s and was seriously
wounded. Here I am complaining to you and defending organizations that are
standing against forces that would enslave us all.
And yet you demand that a person prove his innocence.
Who the Communist leaders in the Old Soviet Union, Communist China or
Cuba. Which innocent person have I demanded prove his innocence. I
believe you are just making things up as you go.
I think you are a
Post by thomas p.
first class liar and hypocrite, i.e. a fundy.
I'm disappointed! I gave you more credit than I did Bill M and the even
worse Chris Lee, for bringing false witnessing against me, but obviously
I was wrong about you. Like them you make charges and accusations and
don't even attempt to justify these charges.
Christopher A. Lee
2009-11-25 00:25:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by thomas p.
I think you are a
Post by thomas p.
first class liar and hypocrite, i.e. a fundy.
I'm disappointed! I gave you more credit than I did Bill M and the even
worse Chris Lee, for bringing false witnessing against me, but obviously
Stop lying, liar.

Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who lied about
"anti-Christ movement" even though he knows we would have to believe
in your pretend friend to be against him?

Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who accused us of
persecuting Christians?

You are a disgusting, nasty, whining, lying hypocrite who can't rea[
what he sows.

Was that clear enough even for you?
Post by thomas p.
I was wrong about you. Like them you make charges and accusations and
don't even attempt to justify these charges.
You are a repeated, paranid serial liar,

Every time you lied this was pointed out.

So stop lying about it yet again.
Ron Dean
2009-11-25 02:17:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by thomas p.
I think you are a
Post by thomas p.
first class liar and hypocrite, i.e. a fundy.
I'm disappointed! I gave you more credit than I did Bill M and the even
worse Chris Lee, for bringing false witnessing against me, but obviously
Stop lying, liar.
Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who lied about
"anti-Christ movement" even though he knows we would have to believe
in your pretend friend to be against him?
Explain to me then how this applies to you, I wrote: "I find it curious
that the anti-Christ movement demands proof from religion, but when it
comes to science, scientist will generally argue that science is not in
the business of proof This is a glaring double standard.
(I wrote this on 10/3/09 @ 1:51 in response to a post from Calvin Ramsey
no you or any other atheist).
I called out no one: so, why did _you_ take offense? Calvin is not an
non-believer.
Also note: (I will restate the question) I maintain that science does
not demand proof, so why does certain individuals demand proof from
religionists? This is a double standard.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who accused us of
persecuting Christians?
I pointed that atheistic movements such as Communist China, Cuba
and the old USSR persecuted all religions including Christians.
In the United States, anti-Christians do _not_ have the _power_ to
persecute anyone.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You are a disgusting, nasty, whining, lying hypocrite who can't rea[
what he sows.
Was that clear enough even for you?
Post by thomas p.
I was wrong about you. Like them you make charges and accusations and
don't even attempt to justify these charges.
You are a repeated, paranid serial liar,
Every time you lied this was pointed out.
But with proving any of it. This is nothing more than you bearing false
witness. This discredits anything you write.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
So stop lying about it yet again.
You come across as a narcissistic, egotistical maniac with a serious
persecution complex who thinks everything is aimed and directed towards
you. Well It isn't. So get a life.
Christopher A. Lee
2009-11-25 03:00:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by thomas p.
I think you are a
Post by thomas p.
first class liar and hypocrite, i.e. a fundy.
I'm disappointed! I gave you more credit than I did Bill M and the even
worse Chris Lee, for bringing false witnessing against me, but obviously
Stop lying, liar.
Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who lied about
"anti-Christ movement" even though he knows we would have to believe
in your pretend friend to be against him?
Explain to me then how this applies to you, I wrote: "I find it curious
that the anti-Christ movement demands proof from religion, but when it
comes to science, scientist will generally argue that science is not in
the business of proof This is a glaring double standard.
no you or any other atheist).
In a public forum for atheists, imbecile. Learn how Usenet works.

And however you try to weasel out of it, it was a paranoid lie on your
part BECAUSE THERE IS NO "ANTI-CHRIST MOVEMENT" OUTSIDE YOUR
IMAGINATION.

How many times do you have to be told that to be "anti-Christ" it
would have to be as "real" for then as it is to you?

Stop being so deliberately stupid, because that's not rocket science.
Post by Ron Dean
I called out no one: so, why did _you_ take offense? Calvin is not an
non-believer.
IT WAS A PARANOID LIE ON YOUR PART, MORON/
Post by Ron Dean
Also note: (I will restate the question) I maintain that science does
not demand proof, so why does certain individuals demand proof from
religionists? This is a double standard.
No liar, it is all about "put up or shut up".

Which word are you still pretending you don't understand?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who accused us of
persecuting Christians?
I pointed that atheistic movements such as Communist China, Cuba
WHAT "ATHEISTIC MOVEMENTS", LIAR?

You know perfectly well that TO ATHEISTS not believing in your god, is
no different than YOU not believing in pixies.

Because it has been repeatedly explained to you.

What does your not believing in pixies make you do,moron?

Christians with a martyr complex imagine that not giving them the free
ride they imagine they are owed, is singling them out.

MAO WAS A DICTATOR, DOING WHAT DICTATORS DO. He went after everybody.
Most of his victims were followers of the traditional Chinese
religions, or were intellectuals. Christians have always been a tiny
minority there.
Post by Ron Dean
and the old USSR persecuted all religions including Christians.
Again, DICTATORS DO WHAT DICTATORS DO. Stalin saw enemies everywhere.
He went after fellow communists, atheists, trade unionists, etc. Not
just those religionists who DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PARTY LINE.

Even musicians. The great Dmitri Shostakovich was investigated and
censured for composing the wrong kind of music. He "redeemed" himself
with his fifth symphony which he entitled "A soviet artist's reply to
just criticism".

It was the soviet equivalent of the House Un-American Activities
witch hunts.

And whether you like it or not, the Russian Orthodox Church was
permitted.
Post by Ron Dean
In the United States, anti-Christians do _not_ have the _power_ to
NO SUCH THING OUTSIDE YOUR PARANOID FANTASIES.

Or do you imagine being prevented from teaching creation myths as
fact, is "anti-Christian", liar? OR any of the other things even
mainstream Christians don't put up with from fundamentalists?
Post by Ron Dean
persecute anyone.
Your martyr complex is showing again.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You are a disgusting, nasty, whining, lying hypocrite who can't rea[
what he sows.
Was that clear enough even for you?
Post by thomas p.
I was wrong about you. Like them you make charges and accusations and
don't even attempt to justify these charges.
You are a repeated, paranid serial liar,
Every time you lied this was pointed out.
But with proving any of it.
Another lie.

I showed where your original paranoid lies were lies over and over
again.

And also every time you amateur-psychologised what you imagined was in
my mind - which you knew were lies because you are not a mind reader
and had no reason to come up with them.

In fact they revealed more about yourself than about me, because you
are a narcissist who has only ever "understood" those inside your
belief system. As exemplified by your refusal to grant that atheism TO
THE ATHEIST is no different than your own not believing in Zeus.

Are YOU "anti-Zeus"?

I thought not. So why imagine anybody who doesn't already believe in
your equivalent, is "anti-Christ"?

And why do you imagine that because you think they are, it makes them
that in the real world OUTSIDE YOUR RELIGION which is where they are?

And your inability to understand that this cannot motivate anything.
Post by Ron Dean
This is nothing more than you bearing false
witness. This discredits anything you write.
Why do you keep repeating this lie?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
So stop lying about it yet again.
You come across as a narcissistic, egotistical maniac with a serious
persecution complex
You're describing yourself here.

You see, unlike you, I am in the real world outside your religion,
where I have seen all sorts of different personalities and behaviours.
While you only have yourself to go on.
Post by Ron Dean
who thinks everything is aimed and directed towards
you.
No I don't,liar.

I just treat paranoid liars who talk about "anti-Christ movement" and
"persecution" in connection with atheists as the paranoid liars it
shows they are.
Post by Ron Dean
Well It isn't.
Good thing it was another of your lies.
Post by Ron Dean
So get a life.
Take your own advice.

Here's a clue: if you hadn't lied about "anti-Christ movement" and
"persecution" in connection with atheists in a public forum you would
not have been treated like a paranoid liar.

And you wouldn't have subsequently demonstrated that you were
incapable of grasping the real world outside your fantasies.

Because you imagine people who don't share your beliefs could be
"anti-" what isn't even in their world view (which was just plain
stupid anyway) - in the real world outside it.
Ron Dean
2009-11-25 04:02:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by thomas p.
I think you are a
Post by thomas p.
first class liar and hypocrite, i.e. a fundy.
I'm disappointed! I gave you more credit than I did Bill M and the even
worse Chris Lee, for bringing false witnessing against me, but obviously
Stop lying, liar.
Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who lied about
"anti-Christ movement" even though he knows we would have to believe
in your pretend friend to be against him?
Explain to me then how this applies to you, I wrote: "I find it curious
that the anti-Christ movement demands proof from religion, but when it
comes to science, scientist will generally argue that science is not in
the business of proof This is a glaring double standard.
no you or any other atheist).
In a public forum for atheists, imbecile. Learn how Usenet works.
I cross-posted after Bill M. who was the first to cross postd this
thread to three (3) Christian NGs. So sweep you own backyard first
before complaining about others.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
And however you try to weasel out of it, it was a paranoid lie on your
part BECAUSE THERE IS NO "ANTI-CHRIST MOVEMENT" OUTSIDE YOUR
IMAGINATION.
There are anti-Christian movements. You don't see them because it isn't
you.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
How many times do you have to be told that to be "anti-Christ" it
would have to be as "real" for then as it is to you?
Anti-Christian is ant-Christ. I don't blame you for not wanting to be
associated with the anti-Christ.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Stop being so deliberately stupid, because that's not rocket science.
Post by Ron Dean
I called out no one: so, why did _you_ take offense? Calvin is not an
non-believer.
IT WAS A PARANOID LIE ON YOUR PART, MORON/
You didn't read this before you again engaged in false witnessing.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Also note: (I will restate the question) I maintain that science does
not demand proof, so why does certain individuals demand proof from
religionists? This is a double standard.
No liar, it is all about "put up or shut up".
Read before you spout off.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Which word are you still pretending you don't understand?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who accused us of
persecuting Christians?
I pointed that atheistic movements such as Communist China, Cuba
WHAT "ATHEISTIC MOVEMENTS", LIAR?
Are you a sympathizer with the communist? Do you belong to the Communist
party USA? Just curious. The communist do persecute Christians.
This proves beyond any doubt that you don't read anything. You just
restate the same old false charge of "Liar".
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You know perfectly well that TO ATHEISTS not believing in your god, is
no different than YOU not believing in pixies.
You're not reading. I have no illusions about atheist believing in
any gods. Nor have I claimed otherwise.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Because it has been repeatedly explained to you.
What does your not believing in pixies make you do,moron?
Christians with a martyr complex imagine that not giving them the free
ride they imagine they are owed, is singling them out.
MAO WAS A DICTATOR, DOING WHAT DICTATORS DO. He went after everybody.
Most of his victims were followers of the traditional Chinese
religions, or were intellectuals. Christians have always been a tiny
minority there.
Post by Ron Dean
and the old USSR persecuted all religions including Christians.
Again, DICTATORS DO WHAT DICTATORS DO. Stalin saw enemies everywhere.
He went after fellow communists, atheists, trade unionists, etc. Not
just those religionists who DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PARTY LINE.
Wrong. He murdered priest, parishiners etc.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Even musicians. The great Dmitri Shostakovich was investigated and
censured for composing the wrong kind of music. He "redeemed" himself
with his fifth symphony which he entitled "A soviet artist's reply to
just criticism".
It was the soviet equivalent of the House Un-American Activities
witch hunts.
And whether you like it or not, the Russian Orthodox Church was
permitted.
After it was taken over by the Communist who governed it. After the
fall of the USSR, then Christianity sprung in every corner.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
In the United States, anti-Christians do _not_ have the _power_ to
NO SUCH THING OUTSIDE YOUR PARANOID FANTASIES.
Or do you imagine being prevented from teaching creation myths as
fact, is "anti-Christian", liar? OR any of the other things even
mainstream Christians don't put up with from fundamentalists?
Where did you get this opinion? Not from me.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
persecute anyone.
Your martyr complex is showing again.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You are a disgusting, nasty, whining, lying hypocrite who can't rea[
what he sows.
Was that clear enough even for you?
Post by thomas p.
I was wrong about you. Like them you make charges and accusations and
don't even attempt to justify these charges.
You are a repeated, paranid serial liar,
Every time you lied this was pointed out.
But with proving any of it.
Another lie.
You just make unsupposted accusations and call them proof.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
I showed where your original paranoid lies were lies over and over
again.
Just repeating the same old lines without evidence don't make them
fact.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
And also every time you amateur-psychologised what you imagined was in
my mind - which you knew were lies because you are not a mind reader
and had no reason to come up with them.
In fact they revealed more about yourself than about me, because you
are a narcissist who has only ever "understood" those inside your
belief system. As exemplified by your refusal to grant that atheism TO
THE ATHEIST is no different than your own not believing in Zeus.
Where did I make any such statement. You obviously just make up thing as
you go, then attribute them to me.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Are YOU "anti-Zeus"?
Yep.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
I thought not. So why imagine anybody who doesn't already believe in
your equivalent, is "anti-Christ"?
You don't have to believe in Christ to be anti-Christian.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
And why do you imagine that because you think they are, it makes them
that in the real world OUTSIDE YOUR RELIGION which is where they are?
And your inability to understand that this cannot motivate anything.
Post by Ron Dean
This is nothing more than you bearing false
witness. This discredits anything you write.
Why do you keep repeating this lie?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
So stop lying about it yet again.
You come across as a narcissistic, egotistical maniac with a serious
persecution complex
You're describing yourself here.
You see, unlike you, I am in the real world outside your religion,
where I have seen all sorts of different personalities and behaviours.
While you only have yourself to go on.
So, where did you get you degree in psychoanalysis. You no doubt have
the same background in other topics you arrogantly feel qualified
to discuss.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
who thinks everything is aimed and directed towards
you.
No I don't,liar.
Then don't act as if you do.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
I just treat paranoid liars who talk about "anti-Christ movement" and
"persecution" in connection with atheists as the paranoid liars it
shows they are.
Post by Ron Dean
Well It isn't.
Good thing it was another of your lies.
Post by Ron Dean
So get a life.
Take your own advice.
Here's a clue: if you hadn't lied about "anti-Christ movement" and
"persecution" in connection with atheists in a public forum you would
not have been treated like a paranoid liar.
And you wouldn't have subsequently demonstrated that you were
incapable of grasping the real world outside your fantasies.
Because you imagine people who don't share your beliefs could be
"anti-" what isn't even in their world view (which was just plain
stupid anyway) - in the real world outside it.
Why then are you spending you time? I believe it is constantly on your
mind - otherwise you would just delete the three religious NGs from
your post and post only to alt atheism. So why don't you?
If you do this I will never again be harassed by you.
Christopher A. Lee
2009-11-25 04:49:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by thomas p.
I think you are a
Post by thomas p.
first class liar and hypocrite, i.e. a fundy.
I'm disappointed! I gave you more credit than I did Bill M and the even
worse Chris Lee, for bringing false witnessing against me, but obviously
Stop lying, liar.
Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who lied about
"anti-Christ movement" even though he knows we would have to believe
in your pretend friend to be against him?
Explain to me then how this applies to you, I wrote: "I find it curious
that the anti-Christ movement demands proof from religion, but when it
comes to science, scientist will generally argue that science is not in
the business of proof This is a glaring double standard.
no you or any other atheist).
In a public forum for atheists, imbecile. Learn how Usenet works.
I cross-posted after Bill M. who was the first to cross postd this
thread to three (3) Christian NGs. So sweep you own backyard first
before complaining about others.
You still don't get it, do you?

YOU LIED ABOUT ATHEISTS IN A PUBLIC FORUM.

I RESPONDED TO THAT.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
And however you try to weasel out of it, it was a paranoid lie on your
part BECAUSE THERE IS NO "ANTI-CHRIST MOVEMENT" OUTSIDE YOUR
IMAGINATION.
There are anti-Christian movements. You don't see them because it isn't
you.
And you are a paranoid liar because even if they are, they are nothing
to do with atheism.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
How many times do you have to be told that to be "anti-Christ" it
would have to be as "real" for then as it is to you?
Anti-Christian is ant-Christ.
BUT NOT IN THE REAL WORLD OUTSIDE YOUR FANTASIES, LIAR.
Post by Ron Dean
I don't blame you for not wanting to be
associated with the anti-Christ.
IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH "NOT WANTING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE
ANTI-CHRIST, LIAR, BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN THE REAL WORLD
OUTSIDE YOUR PARANOID FANTASIES.

Further demonstration that you are a narcissist because you are
incapable of understanding either the world or the people outside your
religion.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Stop being so deliberately stupid, because that's not rocket science.
Post by Ron Dean
I called out no one: so, why did _you_ take offense? Calvin is not an
non-believer.
IT WAS A PARANOID LIE ON YOUR PART, MORON/
You didn't read this before you again engaged in false witnessing.
What "false witnessing" are you lying about, liar?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Also note: (I will restate the question) I maintain that science does
not demand proof, so why does certain individuals demand proof from
religionists? This is a double standard.
No liar, it is all about "put up or shut up".
Read before you spout off.
Stop lying, liar.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Which word are you still pretending you don't understand?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who accused us of
persecuting Christians?
I pointed that atheistic movements such as Communist China, Cuba
WHAT "ATHEISTIC MOVEMENTS", LIAR?
Are you a sympathizer with the communist?
Obviously not. I am just part of the real world outside your
fantasies.

What a fucking moron.
Post by Ron Dean
Do you belong to the Communist
party USA?
Don't be so fucking stupid.
Post by Ron Dean
Just curious.
No liar, just your amateur-psychologised rationalisations based on
nothing more than your ignorance about the world outside your
religion.
Post by Ron Dean
The communist do persecute Christians.
Then why did they allow the Russian Orthodox Church, moron?

BUT EVEN IF THEY DID IT COULD NOT BE BECAUSE THEY ARE ATHEIST BECAUSE
YOU KNOW THE EXACT EQUIVALENT OF NOT BELIEVING IN PIXIES DOESN'T
MOTIVATE OR JUSTIFY ANYTHING.

Stop being so dishonest.

AND BEING VICIOUS DICTATORS THEY DID WHAT VICIOUS DICTATORS DO, GOING
AFTER EVERYBODY INCLUDING FELLOW COMMUNISTS. AS WELL AS ATHEISTS,
TRADE UNIONISTS, ARTISTS,MUSICIANS, ETC.

But then you already know this because it has been repeatedly pointed
out.
Post by Ron Dean
This proves beyond any doubt that you don't read anything. You just
restate the same old false charge of "Liar".
What "false charge", liar?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You know perfectly well that TO ATHEISTS not believing in your god, is
no different than YOU not believing in pixies.
You're not reading. I have no illusions about atheist believing in
any gods. Nor have I claimed otherwise.
THEN WHY DO YOU IMAGINE IT CAN MOTIVATE ANYTHING, LIAR, LET ALONE AN
"ANTI-CHRIST MOVEMENT"?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Because it has been repeatedly explained to you.
What does your not believing in pixies make you do,moron?
Couldn't answer this because it would mean admitting just how wrong
you are?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Christians with a martyr complex imagine that not giving them the free
ride they imagine they are owed, is singling them out.
MAO WAS A DICTATOR, DOING WHAT DICTATORS DO. He went after everybody.
Most of his victims were followers of the traditional Chinese
religions, or were intellectuals. Christians have always been a tiny
minority there.
Well, moron?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
and the old USSR persecuted all religions including Christians.
Again, DICTATORS DO WHAT DICTATORS DO. Stalin saw enemies everywhere.
He went after fellow communists, atheists, trade unionists, etc. Not
just those religionists who DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PARTY LINE.
Wrong. He murdered priest, parishiners etc.
AND OTHER COMMUNISTS, ETC.

Please stop pretending he "persecuted" Christians any more than
everybody else. And that he did it because they were Christian and he
was atheist (even though he was actually Russian Orthodox).
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Even musicians. The great Dmitri Shostakovich was investigated and
censured for composing the wrong kind of music. He "redeemed" himself
with his fifth symphony which he entitled "A soviet artist's reply to
just criticism".
Well, moron?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
It was the soviet equivalent of the House Un-American Activities
witch hunts.
And whether you like it or not, the Russian Orthodox Church was
permitted.
After it was taken over by the Communist who governed it. After the
fall of the USSR, then Christianity sprung in every corner.
They did not "govern" it. They used the same totalitarian control as
for everything else.

But allowing it gives the lie to your "persecution of Christians".
Please try to keep up.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
In the United States, anti-Christians do _not_ have the _power_ to
NO SUCH THING OUTSIDE YOUR PARANOID FANTASIES.
Or do you imagine being prevented from teaching creation myths as
fact, is "anti-Christian", liar? OR any of the other things even
mainstream Christians don't put up with from fundamentalists?
Where did you get this opinion? Not from me.
I'm trying to understand why you pretend that anybody in the USA would
"persecute" Christians.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
persecute anyone.
Your martyr complex is showing again.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You are a disgusting, nasty, whining, lying hypocrite who can't rea[
what he sows.
Was that clear enough even for you?
Post by thomas p.
I was wrong about you. Like them you make charges and accusations and
don't even attempt to justify these charges.
You are a repeated, paranid serial liar,
Every time you lied this was pointed out.
But with proving any of it.
Another lie.
You just make unsupposted accusations and call them proof.
I have supported them every time by showing you where you lied, liar.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
I showed where your original paranoid lies were lies over and over
again.
Just repeating the same old lines without evidence don't make them
fact.
Another lie because I showed you why they were lies, so stop lying,
liar.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
And also every time you amateur-psychologised what you imagined was in
my mind - which you knew were lies because you are not a mind reader
and had no reason to come up with them.
In fact they revealed more about yourself than about me, because you
are a narcissist who has only ever "understood" those inside your
belief system. As exemplified by your refusal to grant that atheism TO
THE ATHEIST is no different than your own not believing in Zeus.
Where did I make any such statement. You obviously just make up thing as
you go, then attribute them to me.
"You come across as a narcissistic, egotistical maniac with a serious
persecution complex who thinks everything is aimed and directed
towards you. Well It isn't. So get a life"
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Are YOU "anti-Zeus"?
Yep.
You're lying because you have painted yourself into a corner by
accusing people of being anti- something that isn't even in their
world view, so you have to redefine your position WRT Zeus to be
consistent.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
I thought not. So why imagine anybody who doesn't already believe in
your equivalent, is "anti-Christ"?
You don't have to believe in Christ to be anti-Christian.
Which nobody is, serial liar APART FROM POSSIBLY SOME MUSLIM
EXTREMISTS.

In spite of your paranoia.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
And why do you imagine that because you think they are, it makes them
that in the real world OUTSIDE YOUR RELIGION which is where they are?
And your inability to understand that this cannot motivate anything.
Well?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
This is nothing more than you bearing false
witness. This discredits anything you write.
Why do you keep repeating this lie?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
So stop lying about it yet again.
You come across as a narcissistic, egotistical maniac with a serious
persecution complex
You're describing yourself here.
You see, unlike you, I am in the real world outside your religion,
where I have seen all sorts of different personalities and behaviours.
While you only have yourself to go on.
So, where did you get you degree in psychoanalysis. You no doubt have
the same background in other topics you arrogantly feel qualified
to discuss.
Observing and understanding people before your frat her was even born.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
who thinks everything is aimed and directed towards
you.
No I don't,liar.
Then don't act as if you do.
I don't,liar.

I just called you on your paranoid lies about "anti-Christ" and
"persecution". You yourself took it from there.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
I just treat paranoid liars who talk about "anti-Christ movement" and
"persecution" in connection with atheists as the paranoid liars it
shows they are.
Post by Ron Dean
Well It isn't.
Good thing it was another of your lies.
Post by Ron Dean
So get a life.
Take your own advice.
Here's a clue: if you hadn't lied about "anti-Christ movement" and
"persecution" in connection with atheists in a public forum you would
not have been treated like a paranoid liar.
And you wouldn't have subsequently demonstrated that you were
incapable of grasping the real world outside your fantasies.
Because you imagine people who don't share your beliefs could be
"anti-" what isn't even in their world view (which was just plain
stupid anyway) - in the real world outside it.
Why then are you spending you time? I believe it is constantly on your
mind - otherwise you would just delete the three religious NGs from
your post and post only to alt atheism. So why don't you?
If you do this I will never again be harassed by you.
Again you rationalise another falsehood rather than accept the actual
reason.

If you hadn't lied about "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution" you
would not have been treated as a paranoid liar.

And if you stopped lying there would be no need to point it out any
more.

And another clue: if you had lied only on the religious groups I
wouldn't have seen it to call you a liar for lying. Of course they
would still have been lies but nobody would have noticed.

So why don't YOU delete alt.atheism, whining hypocrite?
Ron Dean
2009-11-25 05:16:00 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by thomas p.
I think you are a
Post by thomas p.
first class liar and hypocrite, i.e. a fundy.
I'm disappointed! I gave you more credit than I did Bill M and the even
worse Chris Lee, for bringing false witnessing against me, but obviously
Stop lying, liar.
Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who lied about
"anti-Christ movement" even though he knows we would have to believe
in your pretend friend to be against him?
Explain to me then how this applies to you, I wrote: "I find it curious
that the anti-Christ movement demands proof from religion, but when it
comes to science, scientist will generally argue that science is not in
the business of proof This is a glaring double standard.
no you or any other atheist).
In a public forum for atheists, imbecile. Learn how Usenet works.
I cross-posted after Bill M. who was the first to cross postd this
thread to three (3) Christian NGs. So sweep you own backyard first
before complaining about others.
You still don't get it, do you?
YOU LIED ABOUT ATHEISTS IN A PUBLIC FORUM.
I agree that you don't persecute Christians. I've pointed out that you
don't have the power to persecute Christians in the U.S.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
I RESPONDED TO THAT.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
And however you try to weasel out of it, it was a paranoid lie on your
part BECAUSE THERE IS NO "ANTI-CHRIST MOVEMENT" OUTSIDE YOUR
IMAGINATION.
There are anti-Christian movements. You don't see them because it isn't
you.
And you are a paranoid liar because even if they are, they are nothing
to do with atheism.
Again you don't have the controlling power to do so. You are impotent.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH "NOT WANTING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE
ANTI-CHRIST, LIAR, BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN THE REAL WORLD
OUTSIDE YOUR PARANOID FANTASIES.
There are anti Christian movements in the real world. But again you
are impotent in the US to persecute anyone.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
What "false witnessing" are you lying about, liar?
Calling me a liar is false witnessing. If that matters to you.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Also note: (I will restate the question) I maintain that science does
not demand proof, so why does certain individuals demand proof from
religionists? This is a double standard.
No liar, it is all about "put up or shut up".
Read before you spout off.
Stop lying, liar.
You don't read, or else you have no comprehension. Because you never
respond to anything but these false accusations against me.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Which word are you still pretending you don't understand?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who accused us of
persecuting Christians?
I pointed that atheistic movements such as Communist China, Cuba
WHAT "ATHEISTIC MOVEMENTS", LIAR?
Are you a sympathizer with the communist?
Obviously not. I am just part of the real world outside your
fantasies.
What a fucking moron.
YOu are the one who refuses to deal with issues, you obscure them by
ranting and raving and shouting liar. Is that the best you are can do?
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Do you belong to the Communist
party USA?
Don't be so fucking stupid.
Post by Ron Dean
Just curious.
No liar, just your amateur-psychologised rationalisations based on
nothing more than your ignorance about the world outside your
religion.
Post by Ron Dean
The communist do persecute Christians.
Then why did they allow the Russian Orthodox Church, moron?
BUT EVEN IF THEY DID IT COULD NOT BE BECAUSE THEY ARE ATHEIST BECAUSE
YOU KNOW THE EXACT EQUIVALENT OF NOT BELIEVING IN PIXIES DOESN'T
MOTIVATE OR JUSTIFY ANYTHING.
Stop being so dishonest.
AND BEING VICIOUS DICTATORS THEY DID WHAT VICIOUS DICTATORS DO, GOING
AFTER EVERYBODY INCLUDING FELLOW COMMUNISTS. AS WELL AS ATHEISTS,
TRADE UNIONISTS, ARTISTS,MUSICIANS, ETC.
But then you already know this because it has been repeatedly pointed
out.
Post by Ron Dean
This proves beyond any doubt that you don't read anything. You just
restate the same old false charge of "Liar".
What "false charge", liar?
That the best argument you have and it a false argument.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You know perfectly well that TO ATHEISTS not believing in your god, is
no different than YOU not believing in pixies.
You're not reading. I have no illusions about atheist believing in
any gods. Nor have I claimed otherwise.
THEN WHY DO YOU IMAGINE IT CAN MOTIVATE ANYTHING, LIAR, LET ALONE AN
"ANTI-CHRIST MOVEMENT"?
You are dreaming, bastard.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Because it has been repeatedly explained to you.
What does your not believing in pixies make you do,moron?
Couldn't answer this because it would mean admitting just how wrong
you are?
I don't know anything about pixies. Are they little girls?
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Christians with a martyr complex imagine that not giving them the free
ride they imagine they are owed, is singling them out.
MAO WAS A DICTATOR, DOING WHAT DICTATORS DO. He went after everybody.
Most of his victims were followers of the traditional Chinese
religions, or were intellectuals. Christians have always been a tiny
minority there.
Well, moron?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
and the old USSR persecuted all religions including Christians.
Again, DICTATORS DO WHAT DICTATORS DO. Stalin saw enemies everywhere.
He went after fellow communists, atheists, trade unionists, etc. Not
just those religionists who DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PARTY LINE.
Wrong. He murdered priest, parishiners etc.
AND OTHER COMMUNISTS, ETC.
Please stop pretending he "persecuted" Christians any more than
everybody else. And that he did it because they were Christian and he
was atheist (even though he was actually Russian Orthodox).
He turned from the Orthordox Church into an atheist.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Even musicians. The great Dmitri Shostakovich was investigated and
censured for composing the wrong kind of music. He "redeemed" himself
with his fifth symphony which he entitled "A soviet artist's reply to
just criticism".
Well, moron?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
It was the soviet equivalent of the House Un-American Activities
witch hunts.
And whether you like it or not, the Russian Orthodox Church was
permitted.
After it was taken over by the Communist who governed it. After the
fall of the USSR, then Christianity sprung in every corner.
They did not "govern" it. They used the same totalitarian control as
for everything else.
But allowing it gives the lie to your "persecution of Christians".
Please try to keep up.
All you do spout your own brainwashed version, without offering any
evidence. And your word is worth less than zero.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
In the United States, anti-Christians do _not_ have the _power_ to
NO SUCH THING OUTSIDE YOUR PARANOID FANTASIES.
Or do you imagine being prevented from teaching creation myths as
fact, is "anti-Christian", liar? OR any of the other things even
mainstream Christians don't put up with from fundamentalists?
Where did you get this opinion? Not from me.
I'm trying to understand why you pretend that anybody in the USA would
"persecute" Christians.
They are impotent. No power to persecute.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
persecute anyone.
Your martyr complex is showing again.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You are a disgusting, nasty, whining, lying hypocrite who can't rea[
what he sows.
Was that clear enough even for you?
Post by thomas p.
I was wrong about you. Like them you make charges and accusations and
don't even attempt to justify these charges.
You are a repeated, paranid serial liar,
Every time you lied this was pointed out.
But with proving any of it.
Another lie.
You just make unsupposted accusations and call them proof.
I have supported them every time by showing you where you lied, liar.
Right by restating your "liar" noinsense.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
I showed where your original paranoid lies were lies over and over
again.
Just repeating the same old lines without evidence don't make them
fact.
Another lie because I showed you why they were lies, so stop lying,
liar.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
And also every time you amateur-psychologised what you imagined was in
my mind - which you knew were lies because you are not a mind reader
and had no reason to come up with them.
In fact they revealed more about yourself than about me, because you
are a narcissist who has only ever "understood" those inside your
belief system. As exemplified by your refusal to grant that atheism TO
THE ATHEIST is no different than your own not believing in Zeus.
Where did I make any such statement. You obviously just make up thing as
you go, then attribute them to me.
"You come across as a narcissistic, egotistical maniac with a serious
persecution complex who thinks everything is aimed and directed
towards you. Well It isn't. So get a life"
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Are YOU "anti-Zeus"?
Yep.
You're lying because you have painted yourself into a corner by
accusing people of being anti- something that isn't even in their
world view, so you have to redefine your position WRT Zeus to be
consistent.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
I thought not. So why imagine anybody who doesn't already believe in
your equivalent, is "anti-Christ"?
You don't have to believe in Christ to be anti-Christian.
Which nobody is, serial liar APART FROM POSSIBLY SOME MUSLIM
EXTREMISTS.
I surprised you admit that some Muslims are anti-Christian.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
In spite of your paranoia.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
And why do you imagine that because you think they are, it makes them
that in the real world OUTSIDE YOUR RELIGION which is where they are?
And your inability to understand that this cannot motivate anything.
Well?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
This is nothing more than you bearing false
witness. This discredits anything you write.
Why do you keep repeating this lie?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
So stop lying about it yet again.
You come across as a narcissistic, egotistical maniac with a serious
persecution complex
You're describing yourself here.
You see, unlike you, I am in the real world outside your religion,
where I have seen all sorts of different personalities and behaviours.
While you only have yourself to go on.
So, where did you get you degree in psychoanalysis. You no doubt have
the same background in other topics you arrogantly feel qualified
to discuss.
Observing and understanding people before your frat her was even born.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
who thinks everything is aimed and directed towards
you.
No I don't,liar.
Then don't act as if you do.
I don't,liar.
I just called you on your paranoid lies about "anti-Christ" and
"persecution". You yourself took it from there.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
I just treat paranoid liars who talk about "anti-Christ movement" and
"persecution" in connection with atheists as the paranoid liars it
shows they are.
Post by Ron Dean
Well It isn't.
Good thing it was another of your lies.
Post by Ron Dean
So get a life.
Take your own advice.
Here's a clue: if you hadn't lied about "anti-Christ movement" and
"persecution" in connection with atheists in a public forum you would
not have been treated like a paranoid liar.
And you wouldn't have subsequently demonstrated that you were
incapable of grasping the real world outside your fantasies.
Because you imagine people who don't share your beliefs could be
"anti-" what isn't even in their world view (which was just plain
stupid anyway) - in the real world outside it.
Why then are you spending you time? I believe it is constantly on your
mind - otherwise you would just delete the three religious NGs from
your post and post only to alt atheism. So why don't you?
If you do this I will never again be harassed by you.
Again you rationalise another falsehood rather than accept the actual
reason.
If you hadn't lied about "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution" you
would not have been treated as a paranoid liar.
And if you stopped lying there would be no need to point it out any
more.
And another clue: if you had lied only on the religious groups I
wouldn't have seen it to call you a liar for lying. Of course they
would still have been lies but nobody would have noticed.
So why don't YOU delete alt.atheism, whining hypocrite?
I never surscribed to alt atheism. It appears from those who cross-post
from alt atheism. But you cross-post and send your horseshit to three
religious NGs.
Christopher A. Lee
2009-11-25 06:03:09 UTC
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Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by thomas p.
I think you are a
Post by thomas p.
first class liar and hypocrite, i.e. a fundy.
I'm disappointed! I gave you more credit than I did Bill M and the even
worse Chris Lee, for bringing false witnessing against me, but obviously
Stop lying, liar.
Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who lied about
"anti-Christ movement" even though he knows we would have to believe
in your pretend friend to be against him?
Explain to me then how this applies to you, I wrote: "I find it curious
that the anti-Christ movement demands proof from religion, but when it
comes to science, scientist will generally argue that science is not in
the business of proof This is a glaring double standard.
no you or any other atheist).
In a public forum for atheists, imbecile. Learn how Usenet works.
I cross-posted after Bill M. who was the first to cross postd this
thread to three (3) Christian NGs. So sweep you own backyard first
before complaining about others.
You still don't get it, do you?
YOU LIED ABOUT ATHEISTS IN A PUBLIC FORUM.
I agree that you don't persecute Christians. I've pointed out that you
don't have the power to persecute Christians in the U.S.
GOOD THING THAT'S JUST YOUR DISHONEST STRAW MAN, LIAR.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
I RESPONDED TO THAT.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
And however you try to weasel out of it, it was a paranoid lie on your
part BECAUSE THERE IS NO "ANTI-CHRIST MOVEMENT" OUTSIDE YOUR
IMAGINATION.
There are anti-Christian movements. You don't see them because it isn't
you.
And you are a paranoid liar because even if they are, they are nothing
to do with atheism.
Again you don't have the controlling power to do so. You are impotent.
GOOD THING IT'S JUST YOUR DIHONEST AND DELIBERATELY NASTY STRAW MAN,
LIAR.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH "NOT WANTING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE
ANTI-CHRIST, LIAR, BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN THE REAL WORLD
OUTSIDE YOUR PARANOID FANTASIES.
There are anti Christian movements in the real world.
Possibly some Muslims. Certainly other Christians of different
denominations.

BUT NONE BECAUSE THEY ARE ATHEISTS BECAUSE ATHEISM DOESN'T MOTIVATE OR
JUSTIFY ANYTHING, IN SPITE OF YOUR LIES ABOUT ATHEISTS.
Post by Ron Dean
But again you
are impotent in the US to persecute anyone.
Good thing that is your deliberately nasty straw man based on a lie
because you know perfectly well atheists don't do that qua atheism.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
What "false witnessing" are you lying about, liar?
Calling me a liar is false witnessing. If that matters to you.
I called you a liar because you lied. You know this because every time
you did it, the lie was pointed out to you.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Also note: (I will restate the question) I maintain that science does
not demand proof, so why does certain individuals demand proof from
religionists? This is a double standard.
No liar, it is all about "put up or shut up".
Read before you spout off.
Stop lying, liar.
You don't read, or else you have no comprehension.
You're projecting again.
Post by Ron Dean
Because you never
respond to anything but these false accusations against me.
"Anti-Christ movement", "persecution", liar.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Which word are you still pretending you don't understand?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who accused us of
persecuting Christians?
I pointed that atheistic movements such as Communist China, Cuba
WHAT "ATHEISTIC MOVEMENTS", LIAR?
Are you a sympathizer with the communist?
Obviously not. I am just part of the real world outside your
fantasies.
What a fucking moron.
YOu are the one who refuses to deal with issues, you obscure them by
ranting and raving and shouting liar.
I'm "obscuring" nothingl iar. You lie more and more with every post.

AND THAT IS THE ISSUE.
Post by Ron Dean
Is that the best you are can do?
If you don't like it, don't be one.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Do you belong to the Communist
party USA?
Don't be so fucking stupid.
Post by Ron Dean
Just curious.
No liar, just your amateur-psychologised rationalisations based on
nothing more than your ignorance about the world outside your
religion.
Well?
Post by Ron Dean
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The communist do persecute Christians.
Then why did they allow the Russian Orthodox Church, moron?
BUT EVEN IF THEY DID IT COULD NOT BE BECAUSE THEY ARE ATHEIST BECAUSE
YOU KNOW THE EXACT EQUIVALENT OF NOT BELIEVING IN PIXIES DOESN'T
MOTIVATE OR JUSTIFY ANYTHING.
Stop being so dishonest.
AND BEING VICIOUS DICTATORS THEY DID WHAT VICIOUS DICTATORS DO, GOING
AFTER EVERYBODY INCLUDING FELLOW COMMUNISTS. AS WELL AS ATHEISTS,
TRADE UNIONISTS, ARTISTS,MUSICIANS, ETC.
But then you already know this because it has been repeatedly pointed
out.
Post by Ron Dean
This proves beyond any doubt that you don't read anything. You just
restate the same old false charge of "Liar".
What "false charge", liar?
That the best argument you have and it a false argument.
Another of your lies.
Post by Ron Dean
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Post by Ron Dean
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You know perfectly well that TO ATHEISTS not believing in your god, is
no different than YOU not believing in pixies.
You're not reading. I have no illusions about atheist believing in
any gods. Nor have I claimed otherwise.
THEN WHY DO YOU IMAGINE IT CAN MOTIVATE ANYTHING, LIAR, LET ALONE AN
"ANTI-CHRIST MOVEMENT"?
You are dreaming, bastard.
You are lying again, liar.
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Post by Ron Dean
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Because it has been repeatedly explained to you.
What does your not believing in pixies make you do,moron?
Couldn't answer this because it would mean admitting just how wrong
you are?
I don't know anything about pixies. Are they little girls?
Standard theist dishonety #27 - pretending he doesn't get the point.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
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Christians with a martyr complex imagine that not giving them the free
ride they imagine they are owed, is singling them out.
MAO WAS A DICTATOR, DOING WHAT DICTATORS DO. He went after everybody.
Most of his victims were followers of the traditional Chinese
religions, or were intellectuals. Christians have always been a tiny
minority there.
Well, moron?
Well, moron?
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Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
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and the old USSR persecuted all religions including Christians.
Again, DICTATORS DO WHAT DICTATORS DO. Stalin saw enemies everywhere.
He went after fellow communists, atheists, trade unionists, etc. Not
just those religionists who DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PARTY LINE.
Wrong. He murdered priest, parishiners etc.
AND OTHER COMMUNISTS, ETC.
Please stop pretending he "persecuted" Christians any more than
everybody else. And that he did it because they were Christian and he
was atheist (even though he was actually Russian Orthodox).
He turned from the Orthordox Church into an atheist.
Don't be so fucking stupid.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Even musicians. The great Dmitri Shostakovich was investigated and
censured for composing the wrong kind of music. He "redeemed" himself
with his fifth symphony which he entitled "A soviet artist's reply to
just criticism".
Well, moron?
Well, moron?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
It was the soviet equivalent of the House Un-American Activities
witch hunts.
And whether you like it or not, the Russian Orthodox Church was
permitted.
After it was taken over by the Communist who governed it. After the
fall of the USSR, then Christianity sprung in every corner.
They did not "govern" it. They used the same totalitarian control as
for everything else.
But allowing it gives the lie to your "persecution of Christians".
Please try to keep up.
All you do spout your own brainwashed version, without offering any
evidence. And your word is worth less than zero.
A liar as well as an idiot who is in denial about the world beyond his
deluded fantasies.
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Post by Ron Dean
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In the United States, anti-Christians do _not_ have the _power_ to
NO SUCH THING OUTSIDE YOUR PARANOID FANTASIES.
Or do you imagine being prevented from teaching creation myths as
fact, is "anti-Christian", liar? OR any of the other things even
mainstream Christians don't put up with from fundamentalists?
Where did you get this opinion? Not from me.
I'm trying to understand why you pretend that anybody in the USA would
"persecute" Christians.
They are impotent. No power to persecute.
Confirmation that you are paranoid.
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persecute anyone.
Your martyr complex is showing again.
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You are a disgusting, nasty, whining, lying hypocrite who can't rea[
what he sows.
Was that clear enough even for you?
Post by thomas p.
I was wrong about you. Like them you make charges and accusations and
don't even attempt to justify these charges.
You are a repeated, paranid serial liar,
Every time you lied this was pointed out.
But with proving any of it.
Another lie.
You just make unsupposted accusations and call them proof.
I have supported them every time by showing you where you lied, liar.
Right by restating your "liar" noinsense.
Only where you lied, liar.
Post by Ron Dean
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
I showed where your original paranoid lies were lies over and over
again.
Just repeating the same old lines without evidence don't make them
fact.
Another lie because I showed you why they were lies, so stop lying,
liar.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
And also every time you amateur-psychologised what you imagined was in
my mind - which you knew were lies because you are not a mind reader
and had no reason to come up with them.
In fact they revealed more about yourself than about me, because you
are a narcissist who has only ever "understood" those inside your
belief system. As exemplified by your refusal to grant that atheism TO
THE ATHEIST is no different than your own not believing in Zeus.
Where did I make any such statement. You obviously just make up thing as
you go, then attribute them to me.
"You come across as a narcissistic, egotistical maniac with a serious
persecution complex who thinks everything is aimed and directed
towards you. Well It isn't. So get a life"
Well, liar?
Post by Ron Dean
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Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Are YOU "anti-Zeus"?
Yep.
You're lying because you have painted yourself into a corner by
accusing people of being anti- something that isn't even in their
world view, so you have to redefine your position WRT Zeus to be
consistent.
Well?
Post by Ron Dean
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Post by Ron Dean
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I thought not. So why imagine anybody who doesn't already believe in
your equivalent, is "anti-Christ"?
You don't have to believe in Christ to be anti-Christian.
Which nobody is, serial liar APART FROM POSSIBLY SOME MUSLIM
EXTREMISTS.
I surprised you admit that some Muslims are anti-Christian.
Here's a clue, weasel, YOU ORIGINALLY SAID IT IN THE CONTEXT OF
ATHEISTS. Stop being so dishonest.
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In spite of your paranoia.
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And why do you imagine that because you think they are, it makes them
that in the real world OUTSIDE YOUR RELIGION which is where they are?
And your inability to understand that this cannot motivate anything.
Well?
Well?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
This is nothing more than you bearing false
witness. This discredits anything you write.
Why do you keep repeating this lie?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
So stop lying about it yet again.
You come across as a narcissistic, egotistical maniac with a serious
persecution complex
You're describing yourself here.
You see, unlike you, I am in the real world outside your religion,
where I have seen all sorts of different personalities and behaviours.
While you only have yourself to go on.
So, where did you get you degree in psychoanalysis. You no doubt have
the same background in other topics you arrogantly feel qualified
to discuss.
Observing and understanding people before your frat her was even born.
Post by Ron Dean
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Post by Ron Dean
who thinks everything is aimed and directed towards
you.
No I don't,liar.
Then don't act as if you do.
I don't,liar.
I just called you on your paranoid lies about "anti-Christ" and
"persecution". You yourself took it from there.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
I just treat paranoid liars who talk about "anti-Christ movement" and
"persecution" in connection with atheists as the paranoid liars it
shows they are.
Post by Ron Dean
Well It isn't.
Good thing it was another of your lies.
Post by Ron Dean
So get a life.
Take your own advice.
Here's a clue: if you hadn't lied about "anti-Christ movement" and
"persecution" in connection with atheists in a public forum you would
not have been treated like a paranoid liar.
Couldn't answer this?
Post by Ron Dean
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Post by Ron Dean
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And you wouldn't have subsequently demonstrated that you were
incapable of grasping the real world outside your fantasies.
Because you imagine people who don't share your beliefs could be
"anti-" what isn't even in their world view (which was just plain
stupid anyway) - in the real world outside it.
Why then are you spending you time? I believe it is constantly on your
mind - otherwise you would just delete the three religious NGs from
your post and post only to alt atheism. So why don't you?
If you do this I will never again be harassed by you.
Again you rationalise another falsehood rather than accept the actual
reason.
If you hadn't lied about "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution" you
would not have been treated as a paranoid liar.
And if you stopped lying there would be no need to point it out any
more.
And another clue: if you had lied only on the religious groups I
wouldn't have seen it to call you a liar for lying. Of course they
would still have been lies but nobody would have noticed.
So why don't YOU delete alt.atheism, whining hypocrite?
I never surscribed to alt atheism.
AND I NEVER SUBSCRIBED TO alt.religion, alt.religion.all-worlds, or
alt.religion.christian, hyocrite. GET THAT BEANM OUT OF YOUR OWN EYE.
Post by Ron Dean
It appears from those who cross-post
from alt atheism. But you cross-post and send your horseshit to three
religious NGs.
What "horse shit" are you lyinag about, liar?

Once again, I responded to YOUR paranoid lies about atheists that YOU
cross-posted to alt.atheism.

SHOWING YOU WHY YOU WERE WRONG.
Ron Dean
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I think you are a
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first class liar and hypocrite, i.e. a fundy.
I'm disappointed! I gave you more credit than I did Bill M and the even
worse Chris Lee, for bringing false witnessing against me, but obviously
Stop lying, liar.
Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who lied about
"anti-Christ movement" even though he knows we would have to believe
in your pretend friend to be against him?
Explain to me then how this applies to you, I wrote: "I find it curious
that the anti-Christ movement demands proof from religion, but when it
comes to science, scientist will generally argue that science is not in
the business of proof This is a glaring double standard.
no you or any other atheist).
In a public forum for atheists, imbecile. Learn how Usenet works.
I cross-posted after Bill M. who was the first to cross postd this
thread to three (3) Christian NGs. So sweep you own backyard first
before complaining about others.
You still don't get it, do you?
YOU LIED ABOUT ATHEISTS IN A PUBLIC FORUM.
I agree that you don't persecute Christians. I've pointed out that you
don't have the power to persecute Christians in the U.S.
GOOD THING THAT'S JUST YOUR DISHONEST STRAW MAN, LIAR.
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I RESPONDED TO THAT.
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And however you try to weasel out of it, it was a paranoid lie on your
part BECAUSE THERE IS NO "ANTI-CHRIST MOVEMENT" OUTSIDE YOUR
IMAGINATION.
There are anti-Christian movements. You don't see them because it isn't
you.
And you are a paranoid liar because even if they are, they are nothing
to do with atheism.
Again you don't have the controlling power to do so. You are impotent.
GOOD THING IT'S JUST YOUR DIHONEST AND DELIBERATELY NASTY STRAW MAN,
LIAR.
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IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH "NOT WANTING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE
ANTI-CHRIST, LIAR, BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN THE REAL WORLD
OUTSIDE YOUR PARANOID FANTASIES.
There are anti Christian movements in the real world.
Possibly some Muslims. Certainly other Christians of different
denominations.
BUT NONE BECAUSE THEY ARE ATHEISTS BECAUSE ATHEISM DOESN'T MOTIVATE OR
JUSTIFY ANYTHING, IN SPITE OF YOUR LIES ABOUT ATHEISTS.
Post by Ron Dean
But again you
are impotent in the US to persecute anyone.
Good thing that is your deliberately nasty straw man based on a lie
because you know perfectly well atheists don't do that qua atheism.
Post by Ron Dean
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What "false witnessing" are you lying about, liar?
Calling me a liar is false witnessing. If that matters to you.
I called you a liar because you lied. You know this because every time
you did it, the lie was pointed out to you.
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Also note: (I will restate the question) I maintain that science does
not demand proof, so why does certain individuals demand proof from
religionists? This is a double standard.
No liar, it is all about "put up or shut up".
Read before you spout off.
Stop lying, liar.
You don't read, or else you have no comprehension.
You're projecting again.
Post by Ron Dean
Because you never
respond to anything but these false accusations against me.
"Anti-Christ movement", "persecution", liar.
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Which word are you still pretending you don't understand?
Post by Ron Dean
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Was it some other liar also called Ron Dean who accused us of
persecuting Christians?
I pointed that atheistic movements such as Communist China, Cuba
WHAT "ATHEISTIC MOVEMENTS", LIAR?
Are you a sympathizer with the communist?
Obviously not. I am just part of the real world outside your
fantasies.
What a fucking moron.
YOu are the one who refuses to deal with issues, you obscure them by
ranting and raving and shouting liar.
I'm "obscuring" nothingl iar. You lie more and more with every post.
AND THAT IS THE ISSUE.
Post by Ron Dean
Is that the best you are can do?
If you don't like it, don't be one.
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Do you belong to the Communist
party USA?
Don't be so fucking stupid.
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Just curious.
No liar, just your amateur-psychologised rationalisations based on
nothing more than your ignorance about the world outside your
religion.
Well?
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The communist do persecute Christians.
Then why did they allow the Russian Orthodox Church, moron?
BUT EVEN IF THEY DID IT COULD NOT BE BECAUSE THEY ARE ATHEIST BECAUSE
YOU KNOW THE EXACT EQUIVALENT OF NOT BELIEVING IN PIXIES DOESN'T
MOTIVATE OR JUSTIFY ANYTHING.
Stop being so dishonest.
AND BEING VICIOUS DICTATORS THEY DID WHAT VICIOUS DICTATORS DO, GOING
AFTER EVERYBODY INCLUDING FELLOW COMMUNISTS. AS WELL AS ATHEISTS,
TRADE UNIONISTS, ARTISTS,MUSICIANS, ETC.
But then you already know this because it has been repeatedly pointed
out.
Post by Ron Dean
This proves beyond any doubt that you don't read anything. You just
restate the same old false charge of "Liar".
What "false charge", liar?
That the best argument you have and it a false argument.
Another of your lies.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
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You know perfectly well that TO ATHEISTS not believing in your god, is
no different than YOU not believing in pixies.
You're not reading. I have no illusions about atheist believing in
any gods. Nor have I claimed otherwise.
THEN WHY DO YOU IMAGINE IT CAN MOTIVATE ANYTHING, LIAR, LET ALONE AN
"ANTI-CHRIST MOVEMENT"?
You are dreaming, bastard.
You are lying again, liar.
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Because it has been repeatedly explained to you.
What does your not believing in pixies make you do,moron?
Couldn't answer this because it would mean admitting just how wrong
you are?
I don't know anything about pixies. Are they little girls?
Standard theist dishonety #27 - pretending he doesn't get the point.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Christians with a martyr complex imagine that not giving them the free
ride they imagine they are owed, is singling them out.
MAO WAS A DICTATOR, DOING WHAT DICTATORS DO. He went after everybody.
Most of his victims were followers of the traditional Chinese
religions, or were intellectuals. Christians have always been a tiny
minority there.
Well, moron?
Well, moron?
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
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and the old USSR persecuted all religions including Christians.
Again, DICTATORS DO WHAT DICTATORS DO. Stalin saw enemies everywhere.
He went after fellow communists, atheists, trade unionists, etc. Not
just those religionists who DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PARTY LINE.
Wrong. He murdered priest, parishiners etc.
AND OTHER COMMUNISTS, ETC.
Please stop pretending he "persecuted" Christians any more than
everybody else. And that he did it because they were Christian and he
was atheist (even though he was actually Russian Orthodox).
He turned from the Orthordox Church into an atheist.
Don't be so fucking stupid.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Even musicians. The great Dmitri Shostakovich was investigated and
censured for composing the wrong kind of music. He "redeemed" himself
with his fifth symphony which he entitled "A soviet artist's reply to
just criticism".
Well, moron?
Well, moron?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
It was the soviet equivalent of the House Un-American Activities
witch hunts.
And whether you like it or not, the Russian Orthodox Church was
permitted.
After it was taken over by the Communist who governed it. After the
fall of the USSR, then Christianity sprung in every corner.
They did not "govern" it. They used the same totalitarian control as
for everything else.
But allowing it gives the lie to your "persecution of Christians".
Please try to keep up.
All you do spout your own brainwashed version, without offering any
evidence. And your word is worth less than zero.
A liar as well as an idiot who is in denial about the world beyond his
deluded fantasies.
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Post by Ron Dean
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In the United States, anti-Christians do _not_ have the _power_ to
NO SUCH THING OUTSIDE YOUR PARANOID FANTASIES.
Or do you imagine being prevented from teaching creation myths as
fact, is "anti-Christian", liar? OR any of the other things even
mainstream Christians don't put up with from fundamentalists?
Where did you get this opinion? Not from me.
I'm trying to understand why you pretend that anybody in the USA would
"persecute" Christians.
They are impotent. No power to persecute.
Confirmation that you are paranoid.
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persecute anyone.
Your martyr complex is showing again.
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
You are a disgusting, nasty, whining, lying hypocrite who can't rea[
what he sows.
Was that clear enough even for you?
Post by thomas p.
I was wrong about you. Like them you make charges and accusations and
don't even attempt to justify these charges.
You are a repeated, paranid serial liar,
Every time you lied this was pointed out.
But with proving any of it.
Another lie.
You just make unsupposted accusations and call them proof.
I have supported them every time by showing you where you lied, liar.
Right by restating your "liar" noinsense.
Only where you lied, liar.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
I showed where your original paranoid lies were lies over and over
again.
Just repeating the same old lines without evidence don't make them
fact.
Another lie because I showed you why they were lies, so stop lying,
liar.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
And also every time you amateur-psychologised what you imagined was in
my mind - which you knew were lies because you are not a mind reader
and had no reason to come up with them.
In fact they revealed more about yourself than about me, because you
are a narcissist who has only ever "understood" those inside your
belief system. As exemplified by your refusal to grant that atheism TO
THE ATHEIST is no different than your own not believing in Zeus.
Where did I make any such statement. You obviously just make up thing as
you go, then attribute them to me.
"You come across as a narcissistic, egotistical maniac with a serious
persecution complex who thinks everything is aimed and directed
towards you. Well It isn't. So get a life"
Well, liar?
Post by Ron Dean
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Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Are YOU "anti-Zeus"?
Yep.
You're lying because you have painted yourself into a corner by
accusing people of being anti- something that isn't even in their
world view, so you have to redefine your position WRT Zeus to be
consistent.
Well?
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Post by Ron Dean
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I thought not. So why imagine anybody who doesn't already believe in
your equivalent, is "anti-Christ"?
You don't have to believe in Christ to be anti-Christian.
Which nobody is, serial liar APART FROM POSSIBLY SOME MUSLIM
EXTREMISTS.
I surprised you admit that some Muslims are anti-Christian.
Here's a clue, weasel, YOU ORIGINALLY SAID IT IN THE CONTEXT OF
ATHEISTS. Stop being so dishonest.
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In spite of your paranoia.
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And why do you imagine that because you think they are, it makes them
that in the real world OUTSIDE YOUR RELIGION which is where they are?
And your inability to understand that this cannot motivate anything.
Well?
Well?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
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This is nothing more than you bearing false
witness. This discredits anything you write.
Why do you keep repeating this lie?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
So stop lying about it yet again.
You come across as a narcissistic, egotistical maniac with a serious
persecution complex
You're describing yourself here.
You see, unlike you, I am in the real world outside your religion,
where I have seen all sorts of different personalities and behaviours.
While you only have yourself to go on.
So, where did you get you degree in psychoanalysis. You no doubt have
the same background in other topics you arrogantly feel qualified
to discuss.
Observing and understanding people before your frat her was even born.
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who thinks everything is aimed and directed towards
you.
No I don't,liar.
Then don't act as if you do.
I don't,liar.
I just called you on your paranoid lies about "anti-Christ" and
"persecution". You yourself took it from there.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
I just treat paranoid liars who talk about "anti-Christ movement" and
"persecution" in connection with atheists as the paranoid liars it
shows they are.
Post by Ron Dean
Well It isn't.
Good thing it was another of your lies.
Post by Ron Dean
So get a life.
Take your own advice.
Here's a clue: if you hadn't lied about "anti-Christ movement" and
"persecution" in connection with atheists in a public forum you would
not have been treated like a paranoid liar.
Couldn't answer this?
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
And you wouldn't have subsequently demonstrated that you were
incapable of grasping the real world outside your fantasies.
Because you imagine people who don't share your beliefs could be
"anti-" what isn't even in their world view (which was just plain
stupid anyway) - in the real world outside it.
Why then are you spending you time? I believe it is constantly on your
mind - otherwise you would just delete the three religious NGs from
your post and post only to alt atheism. So why don't you?
If you do this I will never again be harassed by you.
Again you rationalise another falsehood rather than accept the actual
reason.
If you hadn't lied about "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution" you
would not have been treated as a paranoid liar.
And if you stopped lying there would be no need to point it out any
more.
And another clue: if you had lied only on the religious groups I
wouldn't have seen it to call you a liar for lying. Of course they
would still have been lies but nobody would have noticed.
So why don't YOU delete alt.atheism, whining hypocrite?
I never surscribed to alt atheism.
AND I NEVER SUBSCRIBED TO alt.religion, alt.religion.all-worlds, or
alt.religion.christian, hyocrite. GET THAT BEANM OUT OF YOUR OWN EYE.
Post by Ron Dean
It appears from those who cross-post
from alt atheism. But you cross-post and send your horseshit to three
religious NGs.
What "horse shit" are you lyinag about, liar?
Everything you wrote.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Once again, I responded to YOUR paranoid lies about atheists that YOU
cross-posted to alt.atheism.
SHOWING YOU WHY YOU WERE WRONG.
I cross posted to alt.atheism. But someone on alt alt.atheism first
cross posted to three religious NGs. The post challenged religionist.
This was not a religionist who wrote and cross posted the first post.
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The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one
has ever produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
1 - This is cross-posting to three (3) religious newsgroups. No problem
with this practice, except atheist complain loudly about religionists
cross posting to alt atheism in response to atheist challenges. This
is unreasonable and hypocritical! But this is typical: Some
atheist complain loudly about religious people of trying to shove
their dogma down their throats, yet look at this thread - it's
quite the contrary.
Here is an atheist doing the very same thing. This is hypocrisy
taken to it's ultimate extreme.
Apparently you can't read perceptively. I merely stated facts - not
hypocracy.
Do you have any objective verifiable facts to support your religion???
No, there isn't any proof which to support faith. If there were, it
would not be faith: it is upon faith that all religions including
Christianity are based. The absence of objective verifiable
facts does not falsify religion.
And there is nothing to support it other than faith which is a
worthless excuse.
Well, that's your own self-satisfying opinion. Which is important only
to you.
Nno, liar. It's a fact.
Prove it!
I thought you had wised up. Personal attacks are a definite indication
of forfeiture of the debate.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
But nobody would give a flying fuck about it if...
- believers had the sense to keep it to themselves instead of assuming
their faith should apply to everybody else, at which pointg it becomes
PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Stop being so dishonest.
I've been defensive, never have I tried to "make a Christian of you".
So, stop being such an self-serving egoistical maniac.
Stop being such a dishonest, whining, lying hypocrite.
Ok, prove where I tried to convert you. You can't. So, stop being a
false witness. In any situation a false witness is disqualified from
further deliberations.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
- believers didn't lie about those who don't share their beliefs and
demand they either put up or shut up. Stop being so dishonest.
Was it some other paranoid liar also called Ron Dean who accused
atheists of "anti-Christ movement" and "persecution"?
Re-read the post. I did not identify the anti-Christ movement. However,
it's the stuck pig that squeals.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ron Dean
Dishonesty is pretending to be persecuted while attacking those who
disagree with you. I for one could not care less for you personally or
your worthless self-serving opinions.
Of which you gave a perfect example when you accused atheists of
persecuting Christians, hypocrite.
Not in the U.S. they don't have the power to persecute anyone, but
they did persecute Christians.
Totalitarians, many of whom were atheists, persecuted Christians. Many
of them also
were and are theists. There is nothing in atheism that motivates
persecution, nor do I know
any atheists who support such a thing. I realize, of course, that you
are not interested in
the truth of the matter only in throwing out insults.
What insults have I thrown out? You agreed that some atheist (the ones I
named) did in fact persecute Christians. Also you are right some theist
also persecute christians.
Good, you admit that you said nothing. Progress is being made.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by thomas p.
Post by Ron Dean
Post by Christopher A. Lee
You care enough about us to lie about us to our faces.
Prove it!
You made the charge. Are you saying that you, just like the old
Communists, think
people are guilty until proven innocent? Not surprising, since you
support a
totalitarian concept.
Well? Oh, sorry, I forgot you have already admitted that your post was
meaningless. Bye now.
James Johnson
2009-11-21 19:33:57 UTC
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Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
What would you accept as objective verifiable evidence?
Post by Bill M
They are all founded on peoples imaginations on what created and controls
the Universe
It's very widespread:almost every sciety where there is freedom of
thought there is religion of some sort.
Post by Bill M
and what happens after death.
Haven't been there, can't say.
Post by Bill M
There are huge volumes of objective verifiable evidence on the existence and
functions of
the Universe yet there is NO objective verifiable evidence that ANY
religions are true or that ANY Gods actually exist.
Why does ANY real God creator keep itself so secretive and mysterious???
It doesn't care about you.
Free Lunch
2009-11-21 19:47:05 UTC
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:33:57 -0500, James Johnson
Post by James Johnson
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
What would you accept as objective verifiable evidence?
Objective verifiable evidence is a pretty well defined concept.
Post by James Johnson
Post by Bill M
They are all founded on peoples imaginations on what created and controls
the Universe
It's very widespread:almost every sciety where there is freedom of
thought there is religion of some sort.
But no specific religion in those societies has a monopoly backed up by
the power of the state.
Post by James Johnson
Post by Bill M
and what happens after death.
Haven't been there, can't say.
Post by Bill M
There are huge volumes of objective verifiable evidence on the existence and
functions of
the Universe yet there is NO objective verifiable evidence that ANY
religions are true or that ANY Gods actually exist.
Why does ANY real God creator keep itself so secretive and mysterious???
It doesn't care about you.
Jimbo
2009-11-22 05:19:38 UTC
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Post by James Johnson
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
What would you accept as objective verifiable evidence?
Doesn't your all knowing, all powerful god know what would be
acceptable as objective, verifiable evidence?
James Johnson
2009-11-22 17:39:12 UTC
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Post by Jimbo
Post by James Johnson
Post by Bill M
The greatest imaginations ever observed are Gods and religions.
There are thousands of different religions and Gods but no one has ever
produced
ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
What would you accept as objective verifiable evidence?
Doesn't your all knowing, all powerful god know what would be
acceptable as objective, verifiable evidence?
That wasn't my question. I asked Bill M. what would he accept as
objective, verifiable evidence.
Larry
2009-11-22 03:58:10 UTC
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Post by Bill M
Why does ANY real God creator keep itself so secretive and mysterious???
Golf. It's the only reasonable explanation.....just like Daddy!
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Larry
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