GOD MYTHS

[Bill M]

There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God

let his creations be so deceived and confused???



There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD

actually EXISTS.



Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

sane members of this world?



It is because all God beliefs are purely the figments of peoples
imaginations and

desires

[b***@gmail.com]

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION
sane members of this world?
It is because all God beliefs are purely the figments of peoples
imaginations and
desires
--
Bill M

In the late 1800's a new "religion" emerged which would probably
satisfy your request. Theosophy is not really a religion, it is more
a code of ethics and a divine science. The authors of Theosophy wrote
from direct experience what was needed to spiritually mature and gain
entrance to higher dimensions of awareness. I look at Theosophy as a
kind of update from God. Through Theosophy I have learned that life
if very simple, and the messages from Jesus are very much
misinterpreted. Here is the truth in a nutshell:

1. Reincarnation and karma are the formula for ensuring that all
human beings eventually become perfected. Reincarnation just expands
your lifetime to infinity. Karma is reward/punishment. We are like
rats in a maze. Karma teaches us which paths to avoid, and which
paths will lead to the cheese. After a gazillion years every human
being reaches a point where they no longer generate negative karma
anymore. At that point, we are liberated from the wheel of rebirth
and we join the others who have already passed into higher, more
glorious dimensions.

2. The key to advancement along the spiritual path is the
understanding that the spiritual world and the material world are
mutually exclusive. We have a lower self and a higher self. The
lower self is only interested in the comforts of the material world,
whereas the higher self is interested in the spiritual world. Here is
the most important point: If we are living a comfortable material
existence, we cannot advance spiritually. Or at least not very
quickly. The key is to detach ourselves from material desires, which
results in the shrinking, or death, of the lower self. (We must die
to gain eternal life.) As the lower self dies, it is displaced with
higher self awareness. The higher self is motivated by sacrifice and
service to others.

3. The various churches and religions throughout history have
emphasized the ease of entrance into the spiritual kingdom for
political reasons. When you can offer people eternal salvation from
the fiery pits of Hell and all they have to do is believe that
somebody already paid the price, it will be a very popular and
lucrative idea. The church has very conveniently ignored some very
crucial scripture: Pick up your cross and follow me... and ...if you
do not pick up your cross and follow me you are not worthy of me. In
fact, there is no shortcut into eternal life. We must die to self,
and this is accomplished through self sacrifice, and service, and
detachment from material things, and most importantly attachment to
spiritual things.

4. Christ is on the verge of returning to the world of men:

Around Christmas time 2008 there was a news release published by some
very credible media sources, like the Wall Street Journal and Reuters
(to name two) stating that:

"...in the very near future a large, bright star will appear in the
sky visible throughout the world, night and day. Around a week later,
Maitreya will give his first interview on a major U.S. television
program."

Since that time the aforementioned star did in fact appear all over
the world and a subsequent news release published by at least the Wall
Street Journal (and I'm assuming the others who covered the first news
release) stated the following:

News Release: The Star is seen worldwide
As tension and desperation mount among those who suffer the fallout of
the financial collapse, Maitreya waits for public debate over the new
starlike luminary to signal the necessary response from humanity which
will release Him to step into public work as Teacher for a new way
forward for mankind. As photographic reports increase, it is hoped
that with the help of media and the Internet, the law of free will may
be fulfilled and His emergence can proceed apace.

This post is an effort to kindle some of the needed public debate.

Maitreya is a Christ by the way.

[Bill M]

Just more religious imagination! When can you supply some OBJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE instead of fictional opinion?

Post by b***@gmail.com

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION
sane members of this world?
It is because all God beliefs are purely the figments of peoples
imaginations and
desires
--
Bill M

In the late 1800's a new "religion" emerged which would probably
satisfy your request. Theosophy is not really a religion, it is more
from direct experience what was needed to spiritually mature and gain
entrance to higher dimensions of awareness. I look at Theosophy as a
kind of update from God. Through Theosophy I have learned that life
if very simple, and the messages from Jesus are very much
1. Reincarnation and karma are the formula for ensuring that all
human beings eventually become perfected. Reincarnation just expands
your lifetime to infinity. Karma is reward/punishment. We are like
rats in a maze. Karma teaches us which paths to avoid, and which
paths will lead to the cheese. After a gazillion years every human
being reaches a point where they no longer generate negative karma
anymore. At that point, we are liberated from the wheel of rebirth
and we join the others who have already passed into higher, more
glorious dimensions.
2. The key to advancement along the spiritual path is the
understanding that the spiritual world and the material world are
mutually exclusive. We have a lower self and a higher self. The
lower self is only interested in the comforts of the material world,
whereas the higher self is interested in the spiritual world. Here is
the most important point: If we are living a comfortable material
existence, we cannot advance spiritually. Or at least not very
quickly. The key is to detach ourselves from material desires, which
results in the shrinking, or death, of the lower self. (We must die
to gain eternal life.) As the lower self dies, it is displaced with
higher self awareness. The higher self is motivated by sacrifice and
service to others.
3. The various churches and religions throughout history have
emphasized the ease of entrance into the spiritual kingdom for
political reasons. When you can offer people eternal salvation from
the fiery pits of Hell and all they have to do is believe that
somebody already paid the price, it will be a very popular and
lucrative idea. The church has very conveniently ignored some very
crucial scripture: Pick up your cross and follow me... and ...if you
do not pick up your cross and follow me you are not worthy of me. In
fact, there is no shortcut into eternal life. We must die to self,
and this is accomplished through self sacrifice, and service, and
detachment from material things, and most importantly attachment to
spiritual things.
Around Christmas time 2008 there was a news release published by some
very credible media sources, like the Wall Street Journal and Reuters
"...in the very near future a large, bright star will appear in the
sky visible throughout the world, night and day. Around a week later,
Maitreya will give his first interview on a major U.S. television
program."
Since that time the aforementioned star did in fact appear all over
the world and a subsequent news release published by at least the Wall
Street Journal (and I'm assuming the others who covered the first news
News Release: The Star is seen worldwide
As tension and desperation mount among those who suffer the fallout of
the financial collapse, Maitreya waits for public debate over the new
starlike luminary to signal the necessary response from humanity which
will release Him to step into public work as Teacher for a new way
forward for mankind. As photographic reports increase, it is hoped
that with the help of media and the Internet, the law of free will may
be fulfilled and His emergence can proceed apace.
http://youtu.be/jNlH9zLzot4
This post is an effort to kindle some of the needed public debate.
Maitreya is a Christ by the way.

[Azure]

Post by Bill M
Just more religious imagination! When can you supply some OBJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE instead of fictional opinion?

Look Up, find a nice place in the Country away from City Lights on some
nice clear night and "LOOK UP"!
THAT, is "The Atomic Structure of THE BODY, that which Man calls GOD!
Not some Physical Point, a "4th Dimensional Being"!
Right there in front of your face!

[Azure]

Post by b***@gmail.com

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION
sane members of this world?
It is because all God beliefs are purely the figments of peoples
imaginations and
desires
--
Bill M

In the late 1800's a new "religion" emerged which would probably
satisfy your request. Theosophy is not really a religion, it is more
from direct experience what was needed to spiritually mature and gain
entrance to higher dimensions of awareness. I look at Theosophy as a
kind of update from God. Through Theosophy I have learned that life
if very simple, and the messages from Jesus are very much
1. Reincarnation and karma are the formula for ensuring that all
human beings eventually become perfected. Reincarnation just expands
your lifetime to infinity. Karma is reward/punishment. We are like
rats in a maze. Karma teaches us which paths to avoid, and which
paths will lead to the cheese. After a gazillion years every human
being reaches a point where they no longer generate negative karma
anymore. At that point, we are liberated from the wheel of rebirth
and we join the others who have already passed into higher, more
glorious dimensions.
2. The key to advancement along the spiritual path is the
understanding that the spiritual world and the material world are
mutually exclusive. We have a lower self and a higher self. The
lower self is only interested in the comforts of the material world,
whereas the higher self is interested in the spiritual world. Here is
the most important point: If we are living a comfortable material
existence, we cannot advance spiritually. Or at least not very
quickly. The key is to detach ourselves from material desires, which
results in the shrinking, or death, of the lower self. (We must die
to gain eternal life.) As the lower self dies, it is displaced with
higher self awareness. The higher self is motivated by sacrifice and
service to others.
3. The various churches and religions throughout history have
emphasized the ease of entrance into the spiritual kingdom for
political reasons. When you can offer people eternal salvation from
the fiery pits of Hell and all they have to do is believe that
somebody already paid the price, it will be a very popular and
lucrative idea. The church has very conveniently ignored some very
crucial scripture: Pick up your cross and follow me... and ...if you
do not pick up your cross and follow me you are not worthy of me. In
fact, there is no shortcut into eternal life. We must die to self,
and this is accomplished through self sacrifice, and service, and
detachment from material things, and most importantly attachment to
spiritual things.
Around Christmas time 2008 there was a news release published by some
very credible media sources, like the Wall Street Journal and Reuters
"...in the very near future a large, bright star will appear in the
sky visible throughout the world, night and day. Around a week later,
Maitreya will give his first interview on a major U.S. television
program."
Since that time the aforementioned star did in fact appear all over
the world and a subsequent news release published by at least the Wall
Street Journal (and I'm assuming the others who covered the first news
News Release: The Star is seen worldwide
As tension and desperation mount among those who suffer the fallout of
the financial collapse, Maitreya waits for public debate over the new
starlike luminary to signal the necessary response from humanity which
will release Him to step into public work as Teacher for a new way
forward for mankind. As photographic reports increase, it is hoped
that with the help of media and the Internet, the law of free will may
be fulfilled and His emergence can proceed apace.
http://youtu.be/jNlH9zLzot4
This post is an effort to kindle some of the needed public debate.
Maitreya is a Christ by the way.

No, the Hate Mongers fling Spam and Viruses telling me to shut up,
Erased 2 years of my posts when I went from 80 Percent Accurate
Predictions to 100, especially after I did the London Quake about 18
Hours before it hit.
So, they hacked Server Files "LAST YEAR", erased my predictions so I
couldn't use them, and put their troll garbage insults in there stead.
People don't understand, the Churches Hated "Green Witch" is the Tara
Buddha.
The Yellow Witch, is the Protectors of the Cave of the North Wind, the
"Gate to Heaven".
Lotus, was the MASTER, St. Patrick Escaped from.
"Deu 33:", The Beast, is Gods Chosen!!!!!!!!!!

[Andrew]

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

So, what would you regard as "objective verifiable evidence". ? You
keep saying it doesn't exist, so you must have a clear idea of what
"objective verifiable evidence for the existence of God" would be. So
tell us Bill.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION
sane members of this world?

I assume you're doing your usual illogical irrational trick of
excluding, by your own perverse definition, anyone who believes that
God does communicate with him from the class "sane members of this
world". And you have to, don't you? If you didn't you might be forced
to accept that there are a great many people who hold that God
communicates with them. Without your absurd circular argument you might
be forced to face facts - an I know how much facts are a problem for
you.

Post by Bill M
It is because all God beliefs are purely the figments of peoples
imaginations and
desires

[Bill M]

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

So, what would you regard as "objective verifiable evidence". ? You keep
saying it doesn't exist, so you must have a clear idea of what "objective
verifiable evidence for the existence of God" would be. So tell us Bill.

Opinions and claims are not evidence.

Just like the evidence that everything in the world exists. And evidence
that any of the
thousands of God beliefs actually exist.

Why do none of these Gods ever directly communicate with us? Why would a
real
God be so deceptive?

Why does any real God permit his creations to be deceived by all these many
false Gods?

This is both an invitation and a challenge to religionists to provide
objective verifiable evidence that there is some REAL God that we need to
cater to.



A primary one is that there are hundreds of different gods and god beliefs.
Any REAL god would surely make it abundantly clear, that IT is the real god
and all the others are fakes. He would surely use his unlimited power to
expose and eliminate all the fakes. Why would he permit his creations to be
misled by all these false gods?



If there was a REAL god, would he not destroy the hundreds of false gods and

establish his authenticity, wishes and commands directly from his heaven.

If man, created by god, can communicate with the whole world by Phone,
Radio, the Internet and TV it obviously would be no problem for any real god
to communicate directly with his creations without thousands of
intermediates of questionable veracity.



Why would not a real god announce directly and authoritatively from his
heaven,

that he is the real god and what documents are authentic and which are fakes
and

destroy the fakes? He certainly should want to prevent his creations from
being.

deceived and mislead. Why does not this all powerful God directly and
clearly communicate with us???



Although billions of people have died there is not a single 'authenticated
and proven'

case where anyone of them has ever communicated with their living children,

spouses or friends.



Why would god not allow these souls in his heaven to explain and confirm the

virtues, benefits and even the existence of his heaven? Logic says it is
because they

don't exist except in peoples imaginations!



Religions are ALL based on ancient myths and fables and NO god has directly
AUTHENTICATED ANY of them.



Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio and the postal service. IF there is a real god, why does he
not announce to the whole world from his heaven, by at least equally
effective means, that he is the real god and all the others are fakes? And
why does he not tell us clearly and directly what he expects from us instead
of using hundreds of vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents,
compiled by different religions and thousands of men of unknown veracity?
Why does he not expose and smite all the false gods and doctrines?



An all powerful creator of this huge Universe would have no need or desire
for people to sing hymns and waste their time on their knees in adulation
and building expensive churches that no god ever visits from his elegant
heaven. This type of thing is the practice of greedy leaders with a need to
satisfy their selfish egos.



An all powerful creator of this huge Universe and everything in it would
have no need or desire to create, Sin, Devils, Evil, Spirits, Heavens or
Hells


There would be no need for basing ones life on 'FAITH' and the preaching's
of errant selfish men because we would have direct communication and
authentification directly from this all powerful REAL god



There is no evidence that any of these gods communicate with any honest or
fully sane persons.



No dead fathers, mothers relatives or friends ever verify there heaven or
hell with their living siblings or friends.



There is an overwhelming multitude of religions and god beliefs.

They can't all be true and no REAL god would permit this massive deception
of his creations.



Major religions;


Baha'i Faith
Buddhism
Adventist
Jehovah's Witnesses
British Israelism
Southern Baptists
American Baptists

Catholics

Christina religions - dozens of them
Christian Science
Amish
Brethren
Mennonites
Quakers
Shakers
Plymouth Brethren
Fundamentalists
Twin Oaks
Confucianism
Hinduism
Islam
Jainism
Judaism
Shinto
Sikhism
Taoism
Vodun (Voodoo)
Neopagan Religious Faiths
Asatru (Norse Paganism)
Druidism
Goddess Worship
Wicca
Witchcraft
Caodaism
Damanhur Community
Druse
Eckankar
Elian Gonzalez religious movement
Gnosticism
Gypsies
Hare Krishna - ISKCON
Lukumi
Macumba
Mowahhidoon
Native American Spirituality
Rom, Roma, Romani, Rroma, (a.k.a. Gypsies)
Santeria Elian Gonzalez religious movement
Satanism; The Church of Satan
Scientology
Unitarian-Universalism
The Creativity Movement
Zoroastrianism



Any all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent designer, would
not create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth Quakes,
Wars, Cancers and thousands of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation all of which punish people indiscriminately
regardless of their behavior or religious beliefs. If he did he would not be
an all loving all caring god but a brutal malevolent creature or nothing at
all. There are 12,000 known diseases that torture and kill man. The reality
is that no all loving and all powerful god would create or permit these
diseases to punish men of all religious persuasion and particularly totally
INNOCENT CHILDREN.



Logic and common sense that refutes the existence of any omnipotent gods;



Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him a god?



Religion is things hoped for but not yet seen or proven. Science is things
seen and proven but not necessarily hoped for.



There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any Gods, Heavens, Sin,
Hells, Devils or Angels exist except in the imaginations of man. These
beliefs are held to help people deal with their panic fear of death and what
comes after.



When there is NO objective verifiable evidence for something's existence it
is logical to assume it does no exist. The LACK of evidence is not evidence
of something's existence.



The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created imaginary gods! (thousands of them!)

[Andrew]

Post by Bill M

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

So, what would you regard as "objective verifiable evidence". ? You keep
saying it doesn't exist, so you must have a clear idea of what "objective
verifiable evidence for the existence of God" would be. So tell us Bill.

Opinions and claims are not evidence.

I didn't ask what you think DOESN'T qualify as evidence, Bill. I asked
you what you thought WOULD qualify as evidence. I invite you, again, to
supply us with an answer.

Post by Bill M
Just like the evidence that everything in the world exists. And evidence
that any of the
thousands of God beliefs actually exist.
Why do none of these Gods ever directly communicate with us? Why would a
real
God be so deceptive?

<Yada Yada Yada snip>

You still don't get it, do you Bill? You keep blethering on about
"objective verifiable evidence" but you clearly haven't the foggiest
idea what the phrase means. Here's a clue for someone who is clearly
scientifically illiterate and logically challenged. "Evidence" requires
objective verifiable fact and a logical argument that links it to a
theory or viewpoint. Again and again you fail to link your copy-pasted
drivel to anything remotely resembling a logical rational argument.

So, try demonstrating - in logic - that the existence of a large
variety of human interpretations of the divine shows that there is no
God.

[Bill M]

Post by Bill M

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

So, what would you regard as "objective verifiable evidence". ? You keep
saying it doesn't exist, so you must have a clear idea of what "objective
verifiable evidence for the existence of God" would be. So tell us Bill.

Opinions and claims are not evidence.

I didn't ask what you think DOESN'T qualify as evidence, Bill. I asked you
what you thought WOULD qualify as evidence. I invite you, again, to supply
us with an answer.

That's simple, All the real god has to do is talk to us or appear to us and
comfirm his reality.

Post by Bill M
Just like the evidence that everything in the world exists. And evidence
that any of the
thousands of God beliefs actually exist.
Why do none of these Gods ever directly communicate with us? Why would a
real
God be so deceptive?

<Yada Yada Yada snip>

Can't handle reality???

You still don't get it, do you Bill? You keep blethering on about
"objective verifiable evidence" but you clearly haven't the foggiest idea
what the phrase means. Here's a clue for someone who is clearly
scientifically illiterate and logically challenged. "Evidence" requires
objective verifiable fact and a logical argument that links it to a theory
or viewpoint. Again and again you fail to link your copy-pasted drivel to
anything remotely resembling a logical rational argument.
So, try demonstrating - in logic - that the existence of a large variety
of human interpretations of the divine shows that there is no God.

You like to engage in pure blather. If someone does not understand
"objective
verifiable evidence" they should look it up in the dictionary - and that
includes you!

[G]

Post by Bill M
That's simple, All the real god has to do is talk to us or appear to us and
comfirm his reality.

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the
fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His
Son..." Hebrews 1:1-2

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..." John 1:1, 14

[bob young]

Post by G

Post by Bill M
That's simple, All the real god has to do is talk to us or appear to us and
comfirm his reality.

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the
fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His
Son..." Hebrews 1:1-2
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..." John 1:1, 14

Babble - no god appears or speaks today - only in a book the contents of which
are so old they cannot be verified.

The Bible is a chaotically cobbled together anthology of disjointed documents,
composed, revised, translated, distorted and 'improved' by hundreds of anonymous
authors, editors and copyists, unknown to us and mostly unknown to each other,
spanning nine centuries. This may explain some of the sheer strangeness of the
Bible. Unfortunately it is the same weird volume that religious zealots hold up
as the inerrant source of our morals and rules for living.

[Richard Dawkins 'The God Delusion]

[Azure]

Post by Bill M
That's simple, All the real god has to do is talk to us or appear to us and
comfirm his reality.

You want the world to have a heart attack!

[bob young]

Post by Azure

Post by Bill M
That's simple, All the real god has to do is talk to us or appear to us and
comfirm his reality.

You want the world to have a heart attack!

Good point, it's that silly isn't it ?

Over to you Stephen:

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible
gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
[Stephen Roberts]

[Azure]

Post by bob young

Post by Azure

Post by Bill M
That's simple, All the real god has to do is talk to us or appear to us and
comfirm his reality.

You want the world to have a heart attack!

Good point, it's that silly isn't it ?
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible
gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
[Stephen Roberts]

To bad, you didn't see what I did, so you are just a prick with an attitude.
�

[Andrew]

Post by Bill M

Post by Bill M

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

So, what would you regard as "objective verifiable evidence". ? You keep
saying it doesn't exist, so you must have a clear idea of what "objective
verifiable evidence for the existence of God" would be. So tell us Bill.

Opinions and claims are not evidence.

I didn't ask what you think DOESN'T qualify as evidence, Bill. I asked you
what you thought WOULD qualify as evidence. I invite you, again, to supply
us with an answer.

That's simple, All the real god has to do is talk to us or appear to us and
comfirm his reality.

Post by Bill M
Just like the evidence that everything in the world exists. And evidence
that any of the
thousands of God beliefs actually exist.
Why do none of these Gods ever directly communicate with us? Why would a
real
God be so deceptive?

<Yada Yada Yada snip>

Can't handle reality???

I've read it all before Bill. Again and again you copy and paste a
whole bunch of stuff but fail again and again to include any logical
argument whatsoever to show what you think it means.

Post by Bill M

You still don't get it, do you Bill? You keep blethering on about
"objective verifiable evidence" but you clearly haven't the foggiest idea
what the phrase means. Here's a clue for someone who is clearly
scientifically illiterate and logically challenged. "Evidence" requires
objective verifiable fact and a logical argument that links it to a theory
or viewpoint. Again and again you fail to link your copy-pasted drivel to
anything remotely resembling a logical rational argument.
So, try demonstrating - in logic - that the existence of a large variety
of human interpretations of the divine shows that there is no God.

You like to engage in pure blather. If someone does not understand
"objective
verifiable evidence" they should look it up in the dictionary - and that
includes you!

No Bill - you're the one who has problems with this. Come on! Rise to
the challenge! Demonstrate, in logic, that the large variety of human
interpretations of the divine shows that there is no God.

[bob young]

Post by Andrew

Post by Bill M

Post by Bill M

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

So, what would you regard as "objective verifiable evidence". ? You keep
saying it doesn't exist, so you must have a clear idea of what "objective
verifiable evidence for the existence of God" would be. So tell us Bill.

Opinions and claims are not evidence.

I didn't ask what you think DOESN'T qualify as evidence, Bill. I asked you
what you thought WOULD qualify as evidence. I invite you, again, to supply
us with an answer.

That's simple, All the real god has to do is talk to us or appear to us and
comfirm his reality.

Post by Bill M
Just like the evidence that everything in the world exists. And evidence
that any of the
thousands of God beliefs actually exist.
Why do none of these Gods ever directly communicate with us? Why would a
real
God be so deceptive?

<Yada Yada Yada snip>

Can't handle reality???

I've read it all before Bill. Again and again you copy and paste a
whole bunch of stuff but fail again and again to include any logical
argument whatsoever to show what you think it means.

Post by Bill M

You still don't get it, do you Bill? You keep blethering on about
"objective verifiable evidence" but you clearly haven't the foggiest idea
what the phrase means. Here's a clue for someone who is clearly
scientifically illiterate and logically challenged. "Evidence" requires
objective verifiable fact and a logical argument that links it to a theory
or viewpoint. Again and again you fail to link your copy-pasted drivel to
anything remotely resembling a logical rational argument.
So, try demonstrating - in logic - that the existence of a large variety
of human interpretations of the divine shows that there is no God.

You like to engage in pure blather. If someone does not understand
"objective
verifiable evidence" they should look it up in the dictionary - and that
includes you!

No Bill - you're the one who has problems with this. Come on! Rise to
the challenge! Demonstrate, in logic, that the large variety of human
interpretations of the divine shows that there is no God.

Idiot - you know very well Bill keeps doing that
because to date nobody has yet managed to produce any sensible answers.

"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So primitive
and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes talking to people and
guys walking on water. We're sophisticated.'"
[Acknowledgements to - Paul Provenza]

[bob young]

Post by Bill M

Post by Bill M

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

So, what would you regard as "objective verifiable evidence". ? You keep
saying it doesn't exist, so you must have a clear idea of what "objective
verifiable evidence for the existence of God" would be. So tell us Bill.

Opinions and claims are not evidence.

I didn't ask what you think DOESN'T qualify as evidence, Bill. I asked you
what you thought WOULD qualify as evidence. I invite you, again, to supply
us with an answer.

That's simple, All the real god has to do is talk to us or appear to us and
comfirm his reality.

Eeerm . . . I'm afraid that will be a little too logical for them Bill.

Their god only appeared and chatted to people in the old book they use that is
far too old for any of it to be confirmed as actually having happened.

Post by Bill M

Post by Bill M
Just like the evidence that everything in the world exists. And evidence
that any of the
thousands of God beliefs actually exist.
Why do none of these Gods ever directly communicate with us? Why would a
real
God be so deceptive?

<Yada Yada Yada snip>

Can't handle reality???

You still don't get it, do you Bill? You keep blethering on about
"objective verifiable evidence" but you clearly haven't the foggiest idea
what the phrase means. Here's a clue for someone who is clearly
scientifically illiterate and logically challenged. "Evidence" requires
objective verifiable fact and a logical argument that links it to a theory
or viewpoint. Again and again you fail to link your copy-pasted drivel to
anything remotely resembling a logical rational argument.
So, try demonstrating - in logic - that the existence of a large variety
of human interpretations of the divine shows that there is no God.

You like to engage in pure blather. If someone does not understand
"objective
verifiable evidence" they should look it up in the dictionary - and that
includes you!

He has no answers Bill so all he can do it 'latch on to your request for
verifiable evidence' trying to look cute. Whereas he manages to look:

[Place assessments as to how Andrew 'looks' right below]

*
*
*

[bob young]

Post by Andrew

Post by Bill M

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

So, what would you regard as "objective verifiable evidence". ? You keep
saying it doesn't exist, so you must have a clear idea of what "objective
verifiable evidence for the existence of God" would be. So tell us Bill.

Opinions and claims are not evidence.

I didn't ask what you think DOESN'T qualify as evidence, Bill. I asked
you what you thought WOULD qualify as evidence. I invite you, again, to
supply us with an answer.

. . . . . and i invite 'you' again you disingenuous fool to ask any lawyer

Post by Andrew

Post by Bill M
Just like the evidence that everything in the world exists. And evidence
that any of the
thousands of God beliefs actually exist.
Why do none of these Gods ever directly communicate with us? Why would a
real
God be so deceptive?

<Yada Yada Yada snip>
You still don't get it, do you Bill? You keep blethering on about
"objective verifiable evidence" but you clearly haven't the foggiest
idea what the phrase means. Here's a clue for someone who is clearly
scientifically illiterate and logically challenged. "Evidence" requires
objective verifiable fact and a logical argument that links it to a
theory or viewpoint. Again and again you fail to link your copy-pasted
drivel to anything remotely resembling a logical rational argument.
So, try demonstrating - in logic - that the existence of a large
variety of human interpretations of the divine shows that there is no
God.

[Azure]

Post by Bill M

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

So, what would you regard as "objective verifiable evidence". ? You keep
saying it doesn't exist, so you must have a clear idea of what "objective
verifiable evidence for the existence of God" would be. So tell us Bill.

Opinions and claims are not evidence.

"I, saw GOD", as such it is not "Opinion or a Claim".
A "Witness" has a right to testify to his personal experience.
What another tells them, that is hearsay, but what I saw, "I Saw"!

[bob young]

Post by Andrew

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

So, what would you regard as "objective verifiable evidence". ? You
keep saying it doesn't exist, so you must have a clear idea of what
"objective verifiable evidence for the existence of God" would be. So
tell us Bill.

. . . . . . . . ask any lawyer you disingenuous fool

Post by Andrew

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION
sane members of this world?

I assume you're doing your usual illogical irrational trick of
excluding, by your own perverse definition, anyone who believes that
God does communicate with him from the class "sane members of this
world". And you have to, don't you? If you didn't you might be forced
to accept that there are a great many people who hold that God
communicates with them. Without your absurd circular argument you might
be forced to face facts - an I know how much facts are a problem for
you.

As is said on many intellectual quarters, 'religion is all in the mind'

And one could add without doubt, as is demonstrated here daily, that it does
some pretty nasty things with 'minds' once it gets into them !

Post by Andrew

Post by Bill M
It is because all God beliefs are purely the figments of peoples
imaginations and desires

You can say that again.

I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and
do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming
feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology.
[Thomas Jefferson]

[Azure]

Post by bob young

Post by Andrew

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

So, what would you regard as "objective verifiable evidence". ? You
keep saying it doesn't exist, so you must have a clear idea of what
"objective verifiable evidence for the existence of God" would be. So
tell us Bill.

. . . . . . . . ask any lawyer you disingenuous fool

"I saw God"
The 4th Dimensional Being lifted the curtain once and spoke to
me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EEK!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Azure]

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Doesn't, man continues to alter the teachings to suit his personal
understanding, then wages war screaming how
"MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD"!

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD

WOW, I pity you.
That is such a "Lonely" place to be.

[Jopek]

Hi! Peace and Abundance!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/djecabozja/messages

Here you can ....see it youreslf!

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION
sane members of this world?
It is because all God beliefs are purely the figments of peoples
imaginations and
desires
--
Bill M

[Azure]

Post by Jopek
Hi! Peace and Abundance!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/djecabozja/messages
Here you can ....see it youreslf!

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION
sane members of this world?
It is because all God beliefs are purely the figments of peoples
imaginations and
desires
--
Bill M

No, it is because Hateful Troll Bigots, are Hateful Troll Bigots.
Why should GOD give them Miracle Proof, when there are so many who
Believe.
They want Proof, then call "Witness's", LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They "TROLL" every Faith EXCEPT X'TIANITY, and wonder why I call them
Opie's!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They fling Viruses to stop Fellowship and wonder why a Beowulf take
exception.
Especially since they use a Beowulf Kernel to operating under Linux to
operate.
They are "Cats", PISSING IN THE DOGS FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pussies, trying to intimidate the PUMA/Lions!!!!!!!!!!
They are LIE'ns, not Lion's. . . . . . . . . . . . .
But Uncle Ted is Innocent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right, around here, get your transcripts done "Immediately", they alter
Transcripts "AT WILL"!
Discovery Violations, try, there were several break in's at
Paralegal/Court Reporters Offices, during the Discovery, and according
to my people, there are 2 FBI AGENTS
INVOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How did Ted, end up with Records, the US Attorneys, failed to
produce????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Read "FROZEN SHIELD" sometime.
How come the "Jap's" were locked in "CONCENTRATION CAMPS" during WW2,
and German's suspected of being Nazi's got "Homesteads in
ALASKA???????????
Enjoy the :War on Heavens Gate", WE GOTTA HAVE THAT
OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[2B-Clear]

Believe it or not, we're all "Gods" in potential and are on an
evolutionary journey that takes hundreds of thousands of lifetimes and
leads to perfection along with super human powers. The Buddha, Jesus,
Krishna, & Mohammed, are three who in their lifetimes, were
approaching the top of the evolutionary scale for humans on Earth.
Mozart, Rembrant, Einstein, MLK, are three examples of great souls who
were way above average, but still not as advanced as the ones
mentioned in the previous sentence.

All of the world's religions have been corrupted to a greater or
lesser extent. Especially fundamental Christianity.

I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, but I encourage you all
to try to keep an open mind. More information that may be of interest
and use to you follows.

Evolution of humanity began over 18 million years ago.
One page article is a brief summary of some of the most significant
developments in his evolution. About 21 million years ago...
http://www.share-international.org/archives/AgelessWisdom/aw_ajevolution.htm
#

The process of evolution, by Benjamin Creme
A discussion of the Laws of Karma and Rebirth and the need for right
relationship in order for humans to move their lives forward in the
cycle of evolution.
http://www.share-international.org/archives/AgelessWisdom/aw_bc-evolution.htm

---------

This website is about the leader of the esoteric hierarchy of
extremely advanced people (Masters of Wisdom) who oversee the human
evolution from behind the scenes. In a short time, maybe just a
matter of weeks or months, the world will see their leader (His
personal name is Maitreya). He won't endorse any religion over any
other, nor will he work as a religious figure, but as a Teacher in the
broadest sense. He is the World Teacher, and will work to inspire
humanity to see itself as one family and to rebuild the world based
upon the principles of sharing, justice, brotherhood and love. He
doesn't want anyone to worship Him, but to see Him as an elder
brother. He is omnipotent and omnipresent, believe it or not.

If your mind is really open, CIO!

http://www.share-international.org/

cheers
2bc

[Azure]

Post by 2B-Clear
Believe it or not, we're all "Gods" in potential and are on an
evolutionary journey that takes hundreds of thousands of lifetimes and
leads to perfection along with super human powers. The Buddha, Jesus,
Krishna, & Mohammed, are three who in their lifetimes, were
approaching the top of the evolutionary scale for humans on Earth.
Mozart, Rembrant, Einstein, MLK, are three examples of great souls who
were way above average, but still not as advanced as the ones
mentioned in the previous sentence.
All of the world's religions have been corrupted to a greater or
lesser extent. Especially fundamental Christianity.
I don't expect anyone to take my word for it

I do, I have seen enough of the evidence to know what you say is
fact!!!!!!!!

[Big Bob]

Post by 2B-Clear
Believe it or not, we're all "Gods" in potential and are on an
evolutionary journey that takes hundreds of thousands of lifetimes and
leads to perfection along with super human powers. The Buddha, Jesus,
Krishna, & Mohammed, are three who in their lifetimes, were
approaching the top of the evolutionary scale for humans on Earth.
Mozart, Rembrant, Einstein, MLK, are three examples of great souls who
were way above average, but still not as advanced as the ones
mentioned in the previous sentence.

Where did you get this?

Post by 2B-Clear
All of the world's religions have been corrupted to a greater or
lesser extent. Especially fundamental Christianity.
I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, but I encourage you all
to try to keep an open mind. More information that may be of interest
and use to you follows.
Evolution of humanity began over 18 million years ago.
One page article is a brief summary of some of the most significant
developments in his evolution. About 21 million years ago...
http://www.share-international.org/archives/AgelessWisdom/aw_ajevolution.htm
#
The process of evolution, by Benjamin Creme
A discussion of the Laws of Karma and Rebirth and the need for right
relationship in order for humans to move their lives forward in the
cycle of evolution.
http://www.share-international.org/archives/AgelessWisdom/aw_bc-evolution.htm
---------
This website is about the leader of the esoteric hierarchy of
extremely advanced people (Masters of Wisdom) who oversee the human
evolution from behind the scenes. In a short time, maybe just a
matter of weeks or months, the world will see their leader (His
personal name is Maitreya). He won't endorse any religion over any
other, nor will he work as a religious figure, but as a Teacher in the
broadest sense. He is the World Teacher, and will work to inspire
humanity to see itself as one family and to rebuild the world based
upon the principles of sharing, justice, brotherhood and love. He
doesn't want anyone to worship Him, but to see Him as an elder
brother. He is omnipotent and omnipresent, believe it or not.
If your mind is really open, CIO!
http://www.share-international.org/
cheers
2bc

[2B-Clear]

Post by Big Bob

Post by 2B-Clear
Believe it or not, we're all "Gods" in potential and are on an
evolutionary journey that takes hundreds of thousands of lifetimes and
leads to perfection along with super human powers.  The Buddha, Jesus,
Krishna, & Mohammed, are three who in their lifetimes, were
approaching the top of the evolutionary scale for humans on Earth.
Mozart, Rembrant, Einstein, MLK, are 4 examples of great souls who
were way above average, but still not as advanced as the ones
mentioned in the previous sentence.

 >
Where did you get this?

From material published by Share International and the Lucis trust.

Two short articles:

Evolution of humanity began over 18 million years ago
http://www.share-international.org/archives/AgelessWisdom/aw_ajevolution.htm

The process of evolution, by Benjamin Creme
http://www.share-international.org/archives/AgelessWisdom/aw_bc-evolution.htm

This video was just posted on Saturday:

There are lots of videos/lectures here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ShareInternational

Cheers,
2bc


========
I have said Ye are Gods, and all of you are children of the Most
High. (Psalms 82 verse 6)


========

Post by Big Bob

Post by 2B-Clear
All of the world's religions have been corrupted to a greater or
lesser extent. Especially fundamental Christianity.
I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, but I encourage you all
to try to keep an open mind.  More information that may be of interest
and use to you follows.

Evolution of humanity began over 18 million years ago
http://www.share-international.org/archives/AgelessWisdom/aw_ajevolution.htm

The process of evolution, by Benjamin Creme
A discussion of the Laws of Karma and Rebirth and the need for right
relationship in order for humans to move their lives forward in the
cycle of evolution.
http://www.share-international.org/archives/AgelessWisdom/aw_bc-evolution.htm

Post by Big Bob

Post by 2B-Clear
---------
This website is about the leader of the esoteric hierarchy of
extremely advanced people (Masters of Wisdom) who oversee the human
evolution from behind the scenes.   In a short time, maybe just a
matter of weeks or months, the world will see their leader (His
personal name is Maitreya).  He won't endorse any religion over any
other, nor will he work as a religious figure, but as a Teacher in the
broadest sense. He is the World Teacher, and will work to inspire
humanity to see itself as one family and to rebuild the world based
upon the principles of sharing, justice, brotherhood and love. He
doesn't want anyone to worship Him, but to see Him as an elder
brother.  He is omnipotent and omnipresent, believe it or not.
If your mind is really open, CIO!

http://www.share-international.org/


Some Fundamentalist Christians believe that Maitreya is the anti-
christ - who will fool everyone, trick them into being good, and will
then stick them in their asses with a pitchfork (or something like
that). Of course, they also believe that billions of people who
haven't accepted Jesus as their personal savior, are going to
spend an eternity in hell.
;-)

[Big Bob]

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Post by Bill M
sane members of this world?
It is because all God beliefs are purely the figments of peoples
imaginations and desires

You can only speak for yourself.

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

[Yap]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

Because like all other cons, those "prophets" being the followers said
so.
And their story somehow poisoned generations and generations of people
who were weak in their mind.
Things in the DARK are always fearful.

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by Yap

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

Because like all other cons, those "prophets" being the followers said
so.
And their story somehow poisoned generations and generations of people
who were weak in their mind.
Things in the DARK are always fearful.

Bingo. Plus if God appeared to everyone there would be no need for us to
follow any particular religion or give money to any organisation. But he
won't. Because...

[Big Bob]

Post by Yap

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

Because like all other cons, those "prophets" being the followers said
so.

You have no idea as to what Christanity is about. If you did you would
not make such ignorant statements about something you know virtually
nothing about.

Post by Yap
And their story somehow poisoned generations and generations of people
who were weak in their mind.

Your mind definitely is poisoned.

Post by Yap
Things in the DARK are always fearful.

Speak for yourself. I'm not afraid of the dark or anything in it.

[duke]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

Well, it's up to 2.2 billion out of 6 billion now. Open your heart, hear from
God. Close your heart, hear from satan.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

[Stan-O]

Post by duke
Well, it's up to 2.2 billion out of 6 billion now. Open your heart, hear from
God. Close your heart, hear from satan.

Sorry, but I don't plan on having bypass surgery anytime soon.

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by duke

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

Well, it's up to 2.2 billion out of 6 billion now. Open your heart, hear from
God. Close your heart, hear from satan.

There is no Satan. My heart is pretty open but I still don't see why God can
appear to only a handful of prophets when the rest of us have to accept him
on "Faith"

[Big Bob]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does
the REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the
6 BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

No, the perfect will of the Father and final revelation was the
revelation of Jesus Christ who established the new covenant. Nothing
more is needed expected or required.

[Christopher A. Lee]

Post by Big Bob

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does
the REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the
6 BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

No, the perfect will of the Father and final revelation was the
revelation of Jesus Christ who established the new covenant. Nothing
more is needed expected or required.

Of course there is, imbecile - when you make these silly claims in the
real world beyond the virtual reality of your religion.

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does
the REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

No, the perfect will of the Father and final revelation was the revelation
of Jesus Christ who established the new covenant. Nothing more is needed
expected or required.

I got your email. So why can't Jesus appear to anyone the way he appeared to
Paul?

[duke]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

He has revealed himself to all peoples. Many just say no.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by duke

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

He has revealed himself to all peoples. Many just say no.

If only he would appear before me. Then I would know what God wants. Until
then I'm admitting we can't know for sure.

[Christopher A. Lee]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by duke

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

He has revealed himself to all peoples. Many just say no.

If only he would appear before me. Then I would know what God wants. Until
then I'm admitting we can't know for sure.

Why should something he has plucked out of nothing for no rational
reason, just his religious belief, be granted sufficient credibility
to "admit we can't know for sure"?

Would you use the same language for the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

[Olrik]

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by duke

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

He has revealed himself to all peoples. Many just say no.

If only he would appear before me. Then I would know what God wants. Until
then I'm admitting we can't know for sure.

Why should something he has plucked out of nothing for no rational
reason, just his religious belief, be granted sufficient credibility
to "admit we can't know for sure"?
Would you use the same language for the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Exactly. That's why I don't get agnostics : by their logic, they *have*
to be agnostic about everything unproved or unprovable, which is a
ridiculous position.

[Christopher A. Lee]

Post by Olrik

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by duke

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

He has revealed himself to all peoples. Many just say no.

If only he would appear before me. Then I would know what God wants. Until
then I'm admitting we can't know for sure.

Why should something he has plucked out of nothing for no rational
reason, just his religious belief, be granted sufficient credibility
to "admit we can't know for sure"?
Would you use the same language for the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Exactly. That's why I don't get agnostics : by their logic, they *have*
to be agnostic about everything unproved or unprovable, which is a
ridiculous position.

Which is obvious to a thinking mind yet they don't seem to notice.
Hence the unflattering conclusions about them.

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Olrik

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by duke

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why
does
the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

He has revealed himself to all peoples. Many just say no.

If only he would appear before me. Then I would know what God wants. Until
then I'm admitting we can't know for sure.

Why should something he has plucked out of nothing for no rational
reason, just his religious belief, be granted sufficient credibility
to "admit we can't know for sure"?
Would you use the same language for the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Exactly. That's why I don't get agnostics : by their logic, they *have*
to be agnostic about everything unproved or unprovable, which is a
ridiculous position.

Which is obvious to a thinking mind yet they don't seem to notice.
Hence the unflattering conclusions about them.

I thought I'd reply to this even though I don't want to post to alt.atheism
(unless its to show you a religious kook I have been debating against) I
don't think I'm agnostic. I believe in a higher power and i have even been
considering becoming a gnostic. Actually If what I have been reading about
Gnosticism is true I might already be one (not one who has achieved
liberation of course). But I digress.
Before I was agnostic about the existence of God. I knew the flying
spaghetti monster didn't exist because it was an argument made up by an
Atheist. Of course there is still no evidence to prove or disprove the
existence of any higher power and I realise that is no reason for an Atheist
who says there is no evidence for the existence of a higher power to believe
in one. I believe it is up to the individual. Either you have faith in god
or you are not swayed by the "evidence" anyway I probably said something to
get me accused of being a troll or something but oh well I felt the need to
point out I was agnostic about the creator. Or more honestly what he wanted
from us.

[erikc]

Post by duke

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

He has revealed himself to all peoples. Many just say no.

When did he do that?



Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired) | "The Truth against the World."

[Azure]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?
�

Because she is a timid child who wants friends, not slaves, easy to make
slaves, hard to make friends.
�

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by Azure

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

Because she is a timid child who wants friends, not slaves, easy to make
slaves, hard to make friends.

I like the way you said she. But I think it would be easier to make friends
when you appear to them.

[Azure]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Azure

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer. It requires more faith to
believe this just somehow happened that the simple belief that a
something or some super intellect with immense power must have been the
architect and implementor.

Post by Bill M
Why does no God directly communicate his existence and wishes to the 6
BILLION

He has in the past. There is no longer a need.

Why not? Why does he only reveal his will to only a handful of prophets?

Because she is a timid child who wants friends, not slaves, easy to make
slaves, hard to make friends.

I like the way you said she. But I think it would be easier to make friends
when you appear to them.

Yeah, but again few accept the Passive Friend.
And those who "SEE GOD" are NUTS, ask anyone!
So most people don't see God, mostly because they do not believe, gotta
challenge, or make incessant demand.
�

[CJ]

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does the
REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer.

Not true. The universe may have existed forever in some form or another,
ergo no designer. Go read an astrophysics book. Science is stronger than
faith.

[Big Bob]

Post by CJ

Post by Big Bob

Post by Bill M
There are thousands of different religions and God beliefs. Why does
the REAL God
let his creations be so deceived and confused???

Who says this it true?

Post by Bill M
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY REAL GOD
actually EXISTS.

The fact that that the universe, life, order, logic and purpose exist
demonstrates the reality of a designer.

Not true. The universe may have existed forever in some form or
another, ergo no designer. Go read an astrophysics book. Science is
stronger than faith.

The steady state universe theory finally died with Fred Hoyle. I take
it you've never heard of the big Bang.